Message from @Strufa

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2019-02-04 21:27:07 UTC  

qualia?

2019-02-04 21:27:12 UTC  

Yup

2019-02-04 21:27:18 UTC  

some people are happy if they lose weight and get fit, which is also a physical transformation

So sure, some people might be happy


but theres every guarantee they wont be happy since it doesn't make them happy with themselves

2019-02-04 21:27:26 UTC  

what is qualia, i dont remember

2019-02-04 21:27:36 UTC  

and yes, most modern trans people arej ust doing it for attention

2019-02-04 21:27:37 UTC  

Personal experiences that derive into any form of cosmovision =Qualia

2019-02-04 21:27:40 UTC  

everythign subjective?

2019-02-04 21:27:42 UTC  

Opinions= Qualia

2019-02-04 21:27:46 UTC  

like those Gluten-free food people

2019-02-04 21:27:54 UTC  

Not that qualia is a bad thing

2019-02-04 21:28:01 UTC  

but qualia doesnt prove anything by itself

2019-02-04 21:28:06 UTC  

so qualia = everything subjective?

2019-02-04 21:28:12 UTC  

Yup

2019-02-04 21:28:12 UTC  

the plural of anecdote, is in fact NOT data

2019-02-04 21:28:18 UTC  

then everything is qualia?

2019-02-04 21:28:21 UTC  

nope

2019-02-04 21:28:26 UTC  

empirical facts are not qualia

2019-02-04 21:28:27 UTC  

reality is not qualia

2019-02-04 21:28:40 UTC  

so if more than one person agrees something is perecieved the same, it can be removed as qualia?

2019-02-04 21:28:44 UTC  

maths, science laws, physics

2019-02-04 21:28:54 UTC  

maybe

2019-02-04 21:29:00 UTC  

```in philosophy and certain models of psychology, qualia are defined to be individual instances of subjective, conscious experience.```

2019-02-04 21:29:02 UTC  

no, if you can't change it by wishful thinking, it can be removed as qualia

2019-02-04 21:29:04 UTC  

hoh boy

2019-02-04 21:29:23 UTC  

That depends on how you prove it as real

2019-02-04 21:29:26 UTC  

wishful thinking is good.

2019-02-04 21:29:29 UTC  

you can't breathe naturally underwater as a normal human

no matter how much you might want to

2019-02-04 21:29:44 UTC  

so thats a fact

2019-02-04 21:29:45 UTC  

no amount of lived experience, or wishful thinking is gonna change that

2019-02-04 21:29:47 UTC  

so einsteisn theory is qualia until someone else proved it?

2019-02-04 21:29:56 UTC  

Nope its a half-fact

2019-02-04 21:30:00 UTC  

a theory

2019-02-04 21:30:03 UTC  

whats the difference

2019-02-04 21:30:05 UTC  

Build on observations

2019-02-04 21:30:05 UTC  

Ya'll should read Grendel

2019-02-04 21:30:17 UTC  

Qualia is your subjetive interpretation of reality

2019-02-04 21:30:25 UTC  

ohh

2019-02-04 21:30:35 UTC  

Theory is your explaination based on proofs

2019-02-04 21:30:38 UTC  

so its a matter of how much i am able to detach myself from my subjective reality?

2019-02-04 21:30:45 UTC  

You cant

2019-02-04 21:30:49 UTC  

Cause you are alive