@Paradox yup, going to have to agree with @taekahn . You are being surveilled not spied upon.

what im saying is windows dev, like the oS

no one is doing it anymore.. they deleted peoples files just recently

Well, now that i've sirred the pot, i'm going to disappear for an hour or two.

*its what i do*

people make programs, sure windows still has like REact js etc.. many new cross platform

spy verb
\ ˈspī
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spied; spying
Definition of spy

(Entry 1 of 2)

transitive verb
1 : to watch secretly usually for hostile purposes
2 : to catch sight of : see
3 : to search or look for intensively —usually used with out spy out places fit for vending … goods— S. E. Morison

intransitive verb
1 : to observe or search for something : look
2 : to watch secretly as a spy

>it's not a secret

@Paradox well that is windows 10 for sure. they send copies of private keys to their own stuff

>so it's not spying

And it doesn't need to be a secret

obviously the only defintions that apply are the secret ones

@Paradox Yes. Secretly is the key difference. There is nothing secret about it, the cameras hang on posts.

See 2 and 3

2 doesn't apply

don't be obtuse

its a completely different use of the word

and same with 3

@CasualSailor no one has the source code for intel ME so it is secret

@Paradox your grammar nazi license has been revoked

That's literally the function of cameras, so how does that not apply?

because the cameras would have to be hidden?

if you can see the cameras, you know you're being watched

if you know you're being watched, it's not secret

if it's not secret, it's not spying

No, they wouldn't. YOu seem to not understanding different usages or meaning, 1 is fine, but it's not the only meaning.

No one is saying its the only meaning, but that doesn't mean the word means the same in all contexts

like the word obtuse

because i called you obtuse, doesn't mean i think you're an angle

@Graylan | gray00 Not sure how that is relevant to cameras on posts when you leave your house but I will say as a programmer, I have no problem with DRM. I like being paid for the things I develop and am no fan of people who steal games and other software.

God I hate college based tests

oh, but the definition of obtuse is an angle.

Like I understand most of it but I never have enough time

oh, and, I do agree windows 10 is full of spyware, but so are some linux....

Huh

Ahh shiyet

I didn’t even get anything out of getting windows 10, it just meant that I wouldn’t have to have that annoying startup screen that was in windows 8

i'm still using 7 and xp, lol.

@Paradox Sorry. I didn't mean to start that argument. This is why you don't have semantic debates. They hinge upon you denying what the other person tells you they think a word means. If you equate spying with surveillance then there is no argument.

I like that it’s the newer form of the tabs I guess, but I’d rather have security over some cosmetic item

Exactly. And in some cases they do mean the same, in other cases, they do not.