i'm still using 7 and xp, lol.

@Paradox Sorry. I didn't mean to start that argument. This is why you don't have semantic debates. They hinge upon you denying what the other person tells you they think a word means. If you equate spying with surveillance then there is no argument.

I like that it’s the newer form of the tabs I guess, but I’d rather have security over some cosmetic item

Exactly. And in some cases they do mean the same, in other cases, they do not.

@Paradox Yeah. But even if they don't. If YOU think they are synonymous it is pointless for me to argue that YOU don't.

For the most part I do.

I think the problem with DRM is that once the Right management is broken then you can't use the product you paid for. For example without cracking the game Age of Mythology won't without securerom which has been removed from Windows.

That's the problem with semantic debates. You end up arguing over what everyone believes words mean rather than the actual issue being discussed.

when there is a genuine misunderstanding of meaning, that's fine, but some ppl just don't like words used a way they don't like.

ya know, like saying fags can get married.

tim got so much stuff in that podcast.. theres like 20 videos about tim on JREclips 😛

@Mr. Jesus Well that is part of the contract between buyer and seller. I have to provide a means for you to "validate" your copy if I am no longer going to provide that ability. This is something laws should provide for.

@Timcast Some faggot been talking shit about you on a stream, saying you pay girls to go live with you and getting cucked

They do it for automobile parts. If a car company goes out of business the specs and molds for replacement parts must be made available to the public so others can make the parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjs74cXNERQ starts at 36:00 @Timcast

You do have escrow for bespoke stuff. I do think consumer rights is behind the curve on this.

@Mr. Jesus Probably so. That's probably because you are purchasing a license to "use" the software rather than the actual software. But the principle is the same if you are no longer able to "use" it.

copying isn't stealing, though.

@CasualSailor that works out so well that you can't even enjoy the things you paid for with DRM...

didn't you know you have to have API connection and when company goes bankrupt they no longer provide API?

so what happens to DRM content when the company goes away... Well you dont OWN SHIT

when the pirated versions are more functional than the legit versions....lol

that's correct today @Paradox

anno 2070 go try and play it with no API connection

please. ill wait..

Then play the pirated anno 2070. oh and you can pirate games if you own them.

;D

it's still legal grey area, the wont fight.

I can pirate them even if I don't.

that's why drm is retarded @Paradox

and people like @CasualSailor are the sheep

"I LOVE DRM SO MUCH I CANT EVEN PLAY THE GAME I SPENT 60 USD ON, IT's GREAT"

lulz

fuckin cloud hosting lmfao.

Yeah.. keep drinking the kool aid

ya the copyright stuff is a bit of a messy area

on one hand you got greedy's fuckers, on the other side you got other greedy fuckers and in the middle is ppl making shit that should probably make something and ppl using shit that they wouldn't normally.

lol programmers are so unedcated it is funny. their companies they work for will go bankrupt with their inability to adapt

they dont even see the open source wave coming..

it's 10x the dot com bubble

just in code not money