do you not know how sound works

how is Derek here

I’m alright. Just trying to pull proverbial teeth.

I’m trying to tie my argument together with the fact everyone treats our environment like a closed system. Problem is, that only works when there’s a physical container to keep it closed. Mainstream science wants the benefit of a closed and open system simultaneously without a physical barrier, when that scenario doesn’t exist in any experiment we can verify.

but

like

wait

what are you saying then

that because thunder travels that the earth is covered or something

or enclosed

??

is sound really this hard or something

Sounds like it

What other scenario can we produce an echo, without something for the sound to bounce off?

Heh

Keep it simple.

i'm completely lost

I don’t know of any.

Vaccum

like

A vacuum? .. Uh, no.

b u t t h a t s n o t w h a t t h u n d e r is d o i n g

why do we need to worry about echoes if all we are talking about is sound

and the sound that thunder is

um are you saying thunder doesnt bounce off of stuff?

the sound bounces off of buildings and other objects

he's saying that thunder needs to bounce off something for us to hear it or something like that

I don't think so

Maybe it bounces off the ground

for some reason sound is really complicated

well no, but thunders do produce somewhat of an echo because of the buildings they bounce off of

and yes sometimes the ground too

there doesn't need to be an echo for us to hear it because lightning is the source of the sound

we just need to be in the path of the pressure

well the lightning hitting something produces the thunder sound, and there just so happens to be an echo sometimes

yes

https://youtu.be/G8fJN_6NHh4

im new to being a flat earther can we trust google maps?

Most road maps are functional to my knowledge.

but they show a globe