maybe we should find out what you are inferring derek

if thunder NEEDS to bounce off something in your eyes to make an echo what is it bouncing off of do you think

When we are in a cave and shout, we hear an echo.

ok

ok?

A cave is a physical medium.

So when thunder echoes, what is its physical medium?

air is the medium in which sound travels through

I’m not asking for what the thunder is traveling through, I’m asking what medium is causing thunder’s sound to bounce.

i don't know what that's supposed to mean

Hmmm

do you not know how sound works

how is Derek here

I’m alright. Just trying to pull proverbial teeth.

I’m trying to tie my argument together with the fact everyone treats our environment like a closed system. Problem is, that only works when there’s a physical container to keep it closed. Mainstream science wants the benefit of a closed and open system simultaneously without a physical barrier, when that scenario doesn’t exist in any experiment we can verify.

but

like

wait

what are you saying then

that because thunder travels that the earth is covered or something

or enclosed

??

is sound really this hard or something

Sounds like it

What other scenario can we produce an echo, without something for the sound to bounce off?

Heh

Keep it simple.

i'm completely lost

I don’t know of any.

Vaccum

like

A vacuum? .. Uh, no.

b u t t h a t s n o t w h a t t h u n d e r is d o i n g

why do we need to worry about echoes if all we are talking about is sound

and the sound that thunder is

um are you saying thunder doesnt bounce off of stuff?

the sound bounces off of buildings and other objects

he's saying that thunder needs to bounce off something for us to hear it or something like that

I don't think so

Maybe it bounces off the ground

for some reason sound is really complicated