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Charles Murray has in the past defined heritability along the lines of "the extent to which genetics determine a trait" Do you disargee with this? I can try and dig up a quote from the bell curve or an interview if you think I'm misrepresenting his position @The Desert Fox VI

what do you think heritability means?

@Iron I mean if its not inherent that death is necceasry for communism then I would say it wouldn't be inherent that death to communism as I would with nazism since that bigotry is core to nazism.
I would also dissagree with the comparison, theirs a difference of condeming someone for something they are doing and something they are. Going after someone soley because their jewish is bad because the jews haven't done anything wrong or that hurts anyone. Going after a landlord because they are a landlord is something that landlord can stop and the existance of the institution of landlording harms people.

They went after the jew because they were successful, they had wealth, property and business. The others had land, property. They had resources.

The racial purity came after, every trope and pogrom you can apply to jewish stereotypes you can apply to landlords. They did the same thing, designate a group as other, kill, take their stuff.

Parasites, unworthy, stealing from you, class/racial enemies.

While I dont know for certain I doubt that all jews were wealthy had property or buisness

I would even bet the majority didn't since wealth isn't a common thing

Also alot wealthy people existed and they werent jewish and they werent gone after, meaning that they didn't go after the wealth, it was their jewishness

And thiers no evidence to show that Jewish people are intrinsically, landlords intrinsically are

@Iron

Yes?

Was the ping to conclude?

@Spider Sutra I disagree with that definition of heritability. But that doesn't change the fact that IQ is significantly hereditary.

heritability and hereditary are two different things though

I know

Those are two seperate points

so would you agree that the heritability of IQ doesn't really matter to the race realism argument?

@Spider Sutra what exactly is your definition of heritability?

heritability describes the degree to which the variation in a trait for a particular population can be attributed, explained, or predicted by genetics

what do you think heritability is?

That more or less is what I thought it was. In that case, heritability does matter to race realism because the degree to which IQ is influenced by genetics as opposed to environmental factors is important. @Spider Sutra

uh well no the word opposed doesn't quite work there

because heritability itself depends on a particular population, and with it a particular environment

If I take a population, and move it to a new location, the heritability of the trait can change

and even a trait which is 100% heritable, can be changed if the environment is changed

Well I meant more like on an individual level. But yes you're correct.

Point is: a certain percentage of IQ is hereditary and a certain percentage is based upon that individual's experience in life.

So do certain people have a cap on their IQ that can never be surpassed? Because heritability has nothing to do with this.

Yes, some people could put forward their hardest effort towards learning and developing their intelligence but be beaten by someone who has inherited "more" IQ.

okay but, and my problem was with murray on this, heritability doesn't have anything to do with how genetic a trait is, nor can it explain a difference between two seperate populations

as little thought experiment, how heritable would you say the trait "having 2 hands" is?

If you are correct, which isn't too improbable, that doesn't really change my point, just the language being potentially used. I don't know how heritable that would be. Presumably fairly high

Well it's kind a trick question.

Because the question of how heritable a trait is pretty much meaningless unless we specify a population. So let's just use the United States as an example.

Having two hands at birth is almost universally determined by our genetic code, it's the reason why most people don't have 3 hands, or feet for hands or something crazy like that.

but heritability isn't concerned with how genetic the trait is, it's concerned with how genetic the variance of the trait is

so in the US, the heritability of the trait "having two hands" is actually very close to zero, because barring any extremely rare genetic diseases, most people are going to have fewer hands through something like a workpalce accident

so even though the trait strikes us as extremely genetic, the heritability is extremely low

Ah I see. Then it's not that important to my point or to race realism.