Message from @Royal Chaotic
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@Iron the difference between class and the rest of the lines of oppression is you can stop bieng a capitalist, you can't stop bieng black. I can turn my buisness into a worker owned company and have us elect the manager, my friends can't change thier skin color
Genocide and killing is genocide regardless
@Royal Chaotic what is irrational about ethnocentrism and in-group self interest? Because that's what leads to Ethnonationalism dog
That's why one might want to kill a foreigner
@Iron perhaps I was unclear, while communism certanly applys a class lense of analysis and does not support keeping class, it doesn't like keeping the employer employee model that people like me use, it unlike race can be changed. When the communist regime comes for the capitalist the capitalist can stip bieng a capitalist with out their death ( the buisness is turned into a worker owned entreprise ) when the nazis comes for the black the person can't stop bieng black. Nazis require the death, the communist dont.
@The Desert Fox VI well I presume we are working from the final goal of maximizing wellbeing for highest number concious biengs?
There is no evidence of reliquishibg capital or property was a means to preserve life, they were liquidized because they previously had it, regardless of what became of it. The nazis also never came for black people, Hitler was the only official to shake the hand of Jesse Owens. The communist has always required death, labor until death or simply bodies to fill a space ina gulag camp. The fact is, Comminist where indescriminate in their persecution of their population, anybody in any aspect of society. The most vunerable first, leading upward. The Nazis tried to expell a population, including to the rest Europe and US before they genocided.
@Iron Im sorry I am a bit confused are you saying the way to stop bieng is a capitalist is "liquidation"? Because that is quite wrong.
What about meeting communist ideals requires labor camps?
They were liquidized, the land owning capitialists, even after they surrendered their property.
Im sure in some states they where but stop bieng a cap doesn't require death
Like even now I can sell my buisness and stop bieng a cap
Not under growing Communism, they were executed withiut exception, initially.
And while yes the nazis did do deportation in a practiacal sense if you think the jews are orchastraring the death one race and the browns are their agents and you think thier subhuman and are ready to deport them, death is a acceptable recourse aswell
Source?
What you are asking and stating is unclear to me. To your first part, no it did not require death but it was pushed heavily, if not upon property siezure then soon after as an enemy of the revolution or state.
Which was very similar to who and what the Nazis did to the jews. Target a demographic, take their property then liquidate them.
@Royal Chaotic to an extent this is true. White people are (probably) the most evolved humans and therefore it is natural for them to come to dominate and replace lesser men. My goal is to maximize the well being for the highest amount of people who are part of my folk.
@The Desert Fox VI even if you started with the fundamental axiom maximizing wellbieng for the highest number of white people ethnonationalism would be still irrational since one would want to create some crisper gene where melanin is inhibeted so everyone white, and that would avoid the deaths millions of to be white people, but you belive in "scientific racism" so can we together analyze who brought you to that conclusion that white people are "more evolved" or substantially different from the brow and black people.
Race is more than just skin colour. There's history behind it, not to mention the genetic differences. IQ within a population varies according to heredity. Around 60-80% of IQ is hereditary. That is to say since black people are more stupid now, they will remain so in the next generation *regardless* of enviromental factors. Another example is that of monoamine oxidase A, a protein which increases aggression and which black people have more of.
For the IQ thing, *the Bell Curve* or even just wikipedia. For the protein thing, it's this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A.
@The Desert Fox VI would you watch a video for me? And could you point me what section in the wiki article it says the have more monoanine?
The bell curve is absolute cringe. Charles Murray doesn't even understand the concept of heritability.
If you're interested in this stuff you should find a text book or a class on evolutionary bio first so you don't end up like him.
@Royal Chaotic Are we done?
@Iron I'll be back in like 10 mins sorry the meeting run late and im hungry
You began a diffetent debate.
Im still with you aswell
Im about to crash. I'll pick it up in the morning.
@Royal Chaotic Yes I'd be willing to watch a video. Actually this article summarizes the information much better: https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/maoa-race-and-crime/, sorry about that
@Spider Sutra proof?
And don't insult me
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Charles Murray has in the past defined heritability along the lines of "the extent to which genetics determine a trait" Do you disargee with this? I can try and dig up a quote from the bell curve or an interview if you think I'm misrepresenting his position @The Desert Fox VI
what do you think heritability means?
@Iron I mean if its not inherent that death is necceasry for communism then I would say it wouldn't be inherent that death to communism as I would with nazism since that bigotry is core to nazism.
I would also dissagree with the comparison, theirs a difference of condeming someone for something they are doing and something they are. Going after someone soley because their jewish is bad because the jews haven't done anything wrong or that hurts anyone. Going after a landlord because they are a landlord is something that landlord can stop and the existance of the institution of landlording harms people.
They went after the jew because they were successful, they had wealth, property and business. The others had land, property. They had resources.
The racial purity came after, every trope and pogrom you can apply to jewish stereotypes you can apply to landlords. They did the same thing, designate a group as other, kill, take their stuff.