Message from @Sentient23

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2020-03-09 20:24:10 UTC  

but why force diversity thats just stupid

2020-03-09 20:24:29 UTC  

diversitiy is actual cancer in a political sense

2020-03-09 20:25:09 UTC  

imagine having a country for people thinking like this (germans in germany) and a country for people thinking like that (turks in turkey)

2020-03-09 20:25:16 UTC  

isnt that so much better?

2020-03-09 20:25:25 UTC  

there would be a much larger happier majority

2020-03-09 20:25:26 UTC  

Democracy as it currently is (Representative Democracy), can't work indeed, but Direct Democracy (and preferably with a few alterations) can work, and it can work very well, actually. I've had countless debates with anti-democratic people, and it's actually true what you say - claiming that democracy appeals to individualism is a standard argument against Democracy; but I just surprise these people when I prove them wrong.

In order for one to claim that Democracy appeals to Individualism, one must think that the definition of Democracy is the one that you posted: "The idea is about your views being represented, and your views having an influence on the economy/country." And yet again, that's simply not the definition of Democracy. Democracy promises that the will of the majority becomes reality. Not that the individual's views have an influence on the country's politics. That simply can't work. The idea of democracy is the __collective__ effort of all the majority to agree on, say, a law that needs to be passed. Therefore, collectivism, not only between the people who make up the majority, but between all the voters of the country, is required for Democracy to work properly.

2020-03-09 20:25:51 UTC  

We need direct democracy

2020-03-09 20:35:38 UTC  

Is the US in a way, a direct democracy?

2020-03-09 20:36:52 UTC  

Not at all. It's a Representative Democracy - a "democracy" in which people vote for their rulers.

2020-03-09 20:37:06 UTC  

In Direct Democracy the rulers are the people.

2020-03-09 20:37:55 UTC  

Ah :)

2020-03-09 20:38:08 UTC  

:>

2020-03-09 22:29:56 UTC  

@Ater Votum Could you justify direct democracy?

2020-03-09 22:30:29 UTC  

Also, you do realize that democracy is incompatible with Christianity as it allows for bums and immoral people to allow and advocate morality. Which is particularly forbidden thru out the bible

2020-03-09 22:39:29 UTC  

@Sentient23 it makes the decisions that will satisfy the most people

2020-03-09 22:39:42 UTC  

So what?

2020-03-09 22:39:44 UTC  

thats all the justification you need

2020-03-09 22:39:51 UTC  

Why should the will of the most people be satisfied

2020-03-09 22:39:58 UTC  

This entails relatviism

2020-03-09 22:40:02 UTC  

I hope you realize that right

2020-03-09 22:40:06 UTC  

Which is incompatible with Christianity

2020-03-09 22:40:52 UTC  

well if most peoples wills are satisfied then society works better

2020-03-09 22:40:58 UTC  

if people are happier and so on

2020-03-09 22:41:41 UTC  

the thing is by human nature you arent completely selfish

2020-03-09 22:42:24 UTC  

for example my teacher said what if the majority doesnt want special driveways for wheelchair people to get up stairs of public places

2020-03-09 22:42:39 UTC  

but its obvious an average human wouldnt want a wheelchair person to suffer

2020-03-09 22:42:49 UTC  

except if you somehow tell him wheelchair people are lesser than normal people

2020-03-09 22:42:58 UTC  

but a neutral person wouldnt think this

2020-03-09 22:43:58 UTC  

on the other hand people dont want for example mosques to be built in europe because they make themselves feel uncomfortable and make islam have a foothold in Europe.

2020-03-09 22:44:18 UTC  

and so they have the right to make this decision on a moral basis because building those mosques actually hurts the majority thats why they want to get rid of them

2020-03-09 22:44:37 UTC  

luckily an average human is actually smart enough to make rational decisions

2020-03-09 22:44:55 UTC  

an iq of 100 is pretty okay for that the thing is they need to be educated right as well

2020-03-09 22:44:57 UTC  

I never said im selfish dude

2020-03-09 22:45:07 UTC  

I never implied that selfishness was the drive between my morality

2020-03-09 22:45:20 UTC  

I asked why should satisfaction of the people be the drive here?

2020-03-09 22:45:31 UTC  

And why are you avoiding answering my concern about Christianity?

2020-03-09 22:45:37 UTC  

Are you a christian still or have you become an atheist?

2020-03-09 22:45:56 UTC  

i guess the reason people like psychopaths and such are allowed to vote is probably just practicality i mean it would probably be better to take away the right to vote of people with certain antisocial brain specialities.

2020-03-09 22:46:15 UTC  

well i said that society works better if more people are satisfied

2020-03-09 22:46:24 UTC  

Works better in what sense?

2020-03-09 22:46:37 UTC  

its obvious theres more happiness all around and more productiveness