@Sentient23 Direct democracy yes

Oh yikes

And you're a orthodox "christian" too?

That is a utopian statement:
> The idea is about your views being represented, and your views having an influence on the economy/country
> So i think his objection stands
@Sentient23
That can't be true, because it literally can't work as a system. Yes, if Democracy works correctly, then other views are also taken into consideration and have influence on other individuals, but Democracy's promise, is that the will of the majority of the people turned into reality.

Also Democracy doesn't appeal to Individualism, not necessarily.

Yes it can't work, that's my point
It does appeal to individualism? The whole idea of "If you dont like him just vote for someone else bro"
That's individualism. Have you had any conversations with proponents of democracy from a anti democratic perspective? This is always the objection once you ask them why political opponents should be allowed to maintain their exististence if they promote instability

@Ater Votum read hoppes book on democracy

well for me democracy is more about sticking together and finding the best solution for the majority as a country

but if its not like that in practice

which it often isnt then obviously thats a valid criticism

i dont get leftist ideology trying to make everyone as individual as possible

and then also people from diffrent cultures

im not a fascist that wants everyone to be the same

but why force diversity thats just stupid

diversitiy is actual cancer in a political sense

imagine having a country for people thinking like this (germans in germany) and a country for people thinking like that (turks in turkey)

isnt that so much better?

there would be a much larger happier majority

Democracy as it currently is (Representative Democracy), can't work indeed, but Direct Democracy (and preferably with a few alterations) can work, and it can work very well, actually. I've had countless debates with anti-democratic people, and it's actually true what you say - claiming that democracy appeals to individualism is a standard argument against Democracy; but I just surprise these people when I prove them wrong.

In order for one to claim that Democracy appeals to Individualism, one must think that the definition of Democracy is the one that you posted: "The idea is about your views being represented, and your views having an influence on the economy/country." And yet again, that's simply not the definition of Democracy. Democracy promises that the will of the majority becomes reality. Not that the individual's views have an influence on the country's politics. That simply can't work. The idea of democracy is the __collective__ effort of all the majority to agree on, say, a law that needs to be passed. Therefore, collectivism, not only between the people who make up the majority, but between all the voters of the country, is required for Democracy to work properly.

We need direct democracy

Is the US in a way, a direct democracy?

Not at all. It's a Representative Democracy - a "democracy" in which people vote for their rulers.

In Direct Democracy the rulers are the people.

Ah :)

:>

@Ater Votum Could you justify direct democracy?

Also, you do realize that democracy is incompatible with Christianity as it allows for bums and immoral people to allow and advocate morality. Which is particularly forbidden thru out the bible

@Sentient23 it makes the decisions that will satisfy the most people

So what?

thats all the justification you need

Why should the will of the most people be satisfied

This entails relatviism

I hope you realize that right

Which is incompatible with Christianity

well if most peoples wills are satisfied then society works better

if people are happier and so on

the thing is by human nature you arent completely selfish

for example my teacher said what if the majority doesnt want special driveways for wheelchair people to get up stairs of public places

but its obvious an average human wouldnt want a wheelchair person to suffer

except if you somehow tell him wheelchair people are lesser than normal people

but a neutral person wouldnt think this