@Ater Votum Could you justify direct democracy?

Also, you do realize that democracy is incompatible with Christianity as it allows for bums and immoral people to allow and advocate morality. Which is particularly forbidden thru out the bible

@Sentient23 it makes the decisions that will satisfy the most people

So what?

thats all the justification you need

Why should the will of the most people be satisfied

This entails relatviism

I hope you realize that right

Which is incompatible with Christianity

well if most peoples wills are satisfied then society works better

if people are happier and so on

the thing is by human nature you arent completely selfish

for example my teacher said what if the majority doesnt want special driveways for wheelchair people to get up stairs of public places

but its obvious an average human wouldnt want a wheelchair person to suffer

except if you somehow tell him wheelchair people are lesser than normal people

but a neutral person wouldnt think this

on the other hand people dont want for example mosques to be built in europe because they make themselves feel uncomfortable and make islam have a foothold in Europe.

and so they have the right to make this decision on a moral basis because building those mosques actually hurts the majority thats why they want to get rid of them

luckily an average human is actually smart enough to make rational decisions

an iq of 100 is pretty okay for that the thing is they need to be educated right as well

I never said im selfish dude

I never implied that selfishness was the drive between my morality

I asked why should satisfaction of the people be the drive here?

And why are you avoiding answering my concern about Christianity?

Are you a christian still or have you become an atheist?

i guess the reason people like psychopaths and such are allowed to vote is probably just practicality i mean it would probably be better to take away the right to vote of people with certain antisocial brain specialities.

well i said that society works better if more people are satisfied

Works better in what sense?

its obvious theres more happiness all around and more productiveness

well what i said people are happier which means that they are more efficient in whatever they do

I don't care about happiness of my society. Productiveness can be achieved via brainwashing and mandatory state propaganda, can it not?

i mean you can argue efficiency doesnt matter but well

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that those things can be achieved via a totalitarian state

well happiness is important

I disagree

i mean if you dont believe in the value of that then really nothing means anything. i mean if you dont agree on what the actual definition that all humans and animals agree upon is important then nothing is

i mean really isnt

that doesnt justify hedonism

because living hedonistic actually creates more unhappiness/suffering

But regardless I don't want to dwell into that, if totalitarianism can be used to achieve the same things which are the reason you value democracy, why not value it? Why value democracy over totalitarianism?

well again that's moral relativism. Moral relativism is again incompatible with Christianity. Yet again, are you a christian? Yes or no

i mean saying suffering/happiness doesnt matter thats like saying something good isnt good. its just an invalid statement its what all animals and humans agree upon. what makes us happy and decreases suffering is the literal definition of something good. the word good derives from exactly those emotions. if suffering/happiness doesnt matter then what does? theres no actual value in being efficient or being smart. those are all things we value because society has taught us to value them but theres no actual value to them. what is universal upon every organism that is capable of feeling though is that bad feelings are bad and good feelings are good. thats where the words of good and bad derrive from so if youre using those words to describe anything they have no meaning in your mouth. its an invalid statement to make