Without appealing to a higher being

no there should be a standard in place, if it harms another being, then it is immoral

Why

and also if you are harmed by not harming other people, then a mental institution should be recommended

Wait why? I'm not harming anyone am I? And yet I'm being harmed, so its immoral for me not to molest children, but its also immoral if i molest children

you are harming the child

if you are harmed by not harming then that is immoral

Exactly

based on the same standard I already stated

See the contradiction?

no I am not

Me not molesting children is immoral
But me molesting children is immoral

So wait, if I harm another man, it's immoral, but if I don't harm another man, it's also immoral?

The latter being true entails the falsity of the former, but the former is true, but if the former is true, it entails the falsity of the latter. Which breaks the law of non contradiction

yes I misspoke

what I meant to say is that you cannot use that justification if that involves harming another being

and that an alternate solution should be prescribed then

No well those are the only two alternatives

If i get put into a mental institution i obviously don't get to rape children

If I don't get put in a mental institution, but refrain from raping children, i still get hurt

but if i decide to rape children, it would also be immoral

no but you get help to diminish that urge

no it is not immoral to be in a mental institution

You realize that's impossible

Its impossible to cure pedophiles

Which is why people wanna just kill them

No?

google it

That's demonstrably false

Those who are given therapy are statistically less likely to reoffense

me going to a mental institution would entail me not raping kids, but me not raping kids would harm me mentally

@✧☽ 𝒹 𝓇 𝑒 𝒶 𝓂 𝒾 𝓃 𝑔 ☾✧ Incorrect. You need to prove that its the therapy that does it not the fear of jail

There's legitimate statistics on the reoffense rate of those who are given therapy and those who aren't and those who do receive it reoffense less

Incorrect. You need to prove that its the therapy that does it not the fear of jail

Well it's consistent with rehabilitation oriented crime stats across the world

Ok?

Which are proven to be more effective in lowering offense rates than prison systems

How does that demonstrate its the therapy rather than fear of jail

Well you are aware that the ones who go to jail reoffend more than those who get treatment?

that you don't need religion to justify that public indecency is bad

That literally ends the argument right there