Natural concerns *natures* not the natural world (in this context)

I'll respond to that in a bit

My laptop is dying, and my charger is no longer working. I'm not gonna be on my computer for a few days

Don't know if I should put this in philosophy or serious, but I was having this discussion on another server.
I would consider pornography immoral. But I don't know if I would ban it, simply because I do not think you can legislate virtue

And someone asked me: what if someone makes their paycheck through drawing/participating in pornography? And I do not know what is more immoral: those whose subsistence depends on the creation immoral material, or those who use the immoral material in the immorality

Even if you don't think pornography is immoral, I'd be curious to see what you think about this

I think this might be more of a serious topic

The entire point of banning something is to legislate that which is immoral lol

Its equally Immoral but I would say that its more immoral to make pornography, since you're making souls into becoming sinful - basically subverting them

I mean

I dont think pornography is inherently immoral

I think there are problems within it

Of course you don't, liberal

okay

It's a job

Isn't pornography inherently degrading of women?

not necessarily

It can be

Depends what categories

And girls watch porn too

So what if its a job lmao

Just because its a job doesn't mean its not immoral

Well I dont think that it is immoral in the first place

Pornography is immoral because it promotes weakness, and the pursuit of immediate pleasure

If the society is drugged up on this, it will fail and die

You dont have to watch it if you dont want to

You have the freedom of choice

This isn't about the well being of me as an individual. I care about what's good for other people, I don't view whats moral and what should be banned on whether or not I can personally not do it, its about whether others doing it is good or not

But even if that was so, the well being of me as an individual depends on the well being of the collective

I dislike individualism for this particular reason

Because it views all moral propositions thru the lens of "Will it hurt me, and can i just avoid it"

Yall wanna ban porn but not REGULATE guns

Wilddddd

What do you even define as moral or immoral

guns in and of themselves arent immoral

????? So

Guns really don't do anything without a human

Im pointing out how your analogy was bad

and useless

The man with the gun is what counts

Something is moral insofar as it's in accordance to gods will
Something is immoral insofar as it goes against gods will

@Sentient23 Sometimes Laws are put into place that do not reflect what is moral, but exist because human failings in pursuit of what is moral can fail. For me personally, for example, I am in theory for assisted suicide. But because of a conflict in interest, it is in the interest of insurance companies as well as doctors to recommend/push assisted suicide on patients even when they may not need it