Message from @Lekka

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2020-03-15 20:39:11 UTC  

im asking why you think that truth is subjective

2020-03-15 20:39:25 UTC  

But if you're looking at a galactic level truth we as humans are simply limited by our sensory organs.

2020-03-15 20:39:39 UTC  

We perceive things within our limitations.

2020-03-15 20:39:56 UTC  

Is there a human truth? Is it objective?

2020-03-15 20:39:59 UTC  

Maybe.

2020-03-15 20:40:17 UTC  

But us as a species arent capable of observing the absolute truth.

2020-03-15 20:41:01 UTC  

ive heard that argument so many times, literally ignores the metaphysical and spiritual side of humanity.

2020-03-15 20:41:33 UTC  

I dont know what you want me to say to that.

2020-03-15 20:41:55 UTC  

In my opinion we are biological beings.

2020-03-15 20:42:08 UTC  

Things like spirituality could be constructs we created for all we know.

2020-03-15 20:43:49 UTC  

The metaphysical and spiritual are subjective experiences anyway. Everyone has a different perception of the world around them. No more wrong or right than yours or mine.

2020-03-15 20:44:13 UTC  

There is no one absolute truth which we can build society upon.

2020-03-15 20:44:23 UTC  

The world is an ever dynamic place.

2020-03-15 20:45:44 UTC  

are you jewish by any chance

2020-03-15 20:46:22 UTC  

No.

2020-03-15 20:46:51 UTC  

I was born and raised christian. First ten years of my life as orthodox. Next ten years as catholic.

2020-03-15 20:47:55 UTC  

you have a very jewish, and rootless outlook on the universe

2020-03-15 20:49:11 UTC  

It could be. As far as I know absolutely no one in my family is of that faith.

2020-03-15 20:49:22 UTC  

There are certain objective truths; the rest are subjective. Morality is 100% subjective. i don't have the time to elaborate any further, but if you scroll up, you'll find a debate I've had with some other guy on the same topic.

2020-03-15 20:50:10 UTC  

I ain't no expert. But arent Jewish people very religious? They got their own holy books and all that.

2020-03-15 20:50:39 UTC  

they are as religious as satanists because they literally are

2020-03-15 20:50:54 UTC  

@Koninos How is raping and eating a baby alive not objectively evil?

2020-03-15 20:50:55 UTC  

I should also clarify. I ain't catholic now. I believe there is some sort of higher power but I cant say if it's a particular god.

2020-03-15 20:51:21 UTC  

It could be even something beyond my comprehension.

2020-03-15 20:51:24 UTC  

Jewish people are both an ethnicity and a religion

2020-03-15 20:51:52 UTC  

Ah.

2020-03-15 20:52:04 UTC  

Would you also agree I have a Jewish outlook?

2020-03-15 21:01:22 UTC  

@21ooAB If I am raised in a culture that finds raping and eating babies alive good, and I agree with it, then for me, it's not evil. Therefore morality is subjective.

2020-03-15 21:01:35 UTC  

@Koninos I disagree

2020-03-15 21:01:40 UTC  

That culture should be destroyed

2020-03-15 21:01:52 UTC  

I don't care if you think it should be destroyed or not.

2020-03-15 21:01:59 UTC  

That doesn't make morality any more objective.

2020-03-15 21:02:06 UTC  

@Koninos I assume my beliefs are right no matter what

2020-03-15 21:02:08 UTC  

As should you

2020-03-15 21:02:22 UTC  

I always question my beliefs, and so should you.

2020-03-15 21:02:26 UTC  

Imagine not believing what you deem evil isn't objectively evil

2020-03-15 21:02:35 UTC  

The idea that nothing can be held sacred

2020-03-15 21:02:39 UTC  

and that all should be questioned

2020-03-15 21:02:44 UTC  

I don't

2020-03-15 21:02:45 UTC  

is erratic deconstructionism

2020-03-15 21:02:46 UTC  

really care