Well I just did.

your proposed society was orders higher than my basic precepts tho

a society which provides a certain level of tranquility (happiness, comfort, life expectancy) for a sufficient amount of time is successful

that still falls within NML prima fasci

worship of God wasn't included there

*prima facie

having children wasn't included there, the society fell below replacement level and collapsed

if you really consider what all goes into that society, you realize some amount of religiosity is needed

suicide could have been common place for all we know

I don't think so.

again

Unless your definition of religiousity is so reductive that it encompasses everything 😂

i did say prima facie

I mean

its proly immediately obvious that im christian

just cuz aquinas and such

yes but earlier you said athiesim constituted worship which like

come on bruh

what are we even talking about at that point

fine haha

atheism is the best example of not worshipping god

because it is the worship of the self

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what the hell is your definition of worship

if we check the dictionary worship requires a diety I'm pretty sure

if you want to get really reductionist

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/worship

well no you're being reductionist

because you're reducing everything to worship

but worship is defined in relation to a supernatural entity

everyone worships something, consciously or not

uh no

unless you're using some definition I don't know about

No they dont

because from the dictionary it's not worship unless it's with respect to a diety or a supernatural entity

You conflate worship with value.

the two have very little difference

if any

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To a fundementalist.

well the difference seems pretty clear to me going by the definition