Message from @Ascetic
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then yes
I don't think an infant is capable of understanding what a human is.
though I would guess that level of awareness that we might describe as consciousness would appear pretty late
eh
The infant knows they're alive, they know that their mother will provide them food and all, but they just can't understand what a human is.
Because a newborn animal knows they're alive and that their mother provides them food as well.
I honestly prefer this definition - the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
though consciousness would fully probably develop couple of months after birth
there are some signs of awareness through the entire development
but if I have to put an arbitrary line
an year after birth at the latest possible.
but calling babies before that unconsciousness would be disingenuous
> 📚 **Daily Philosophical Question.**
> -*When does human consciousness begin?*
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@Koninos when "I" say so.
Budum tsss
Conciousness would be when we are more just *aware* in general
At a certain point in gestation I believe we demonstrate basic awareness
it's both
genetics sets base level and society is how we target it.
Somebody that would be a warlord 500 years ago won't have much use in present society.
Yeah no.
isn't conscious more tough?
seems kinda weird that somebody isn't conscious
Human consciousness, not consciousness alone.
@Koninos is that communism?
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Human consciousness, working in unity, perhaps... Is communism?
Collaboration is communism lmao
📚 Daily Philosophical Question.
-*Are there universal, objective values? If so what are they and where do they come from?*
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what do you mean with values?
like what's good and wrong?
Yes
Or stuff like courage and honour being objectively good
they're not lol spoilers
in that case I think some of them are objective.
Like we can all agree that murder and theft are wrong.
@The Desert Fox VI Yes There are universal objective values,
Two values are the preservation of nature and the preservation of kinship,
These values are programmed into us by the creator of the universe and violating these values can shorten your lifespan and the lifespan of others,
Upholding these values allow a fertile environment for man to flourish.
These 2 values echo through the cultures and religions of the world,
E.g. when god created Adam and saw that he was lonely he realised that no man is an island, and man must form bonds to tether himself to this earth or he will become lonely and depressed(self destructive)
In Christianity and Islam Man is created from the dust of the ground and will return to it, man also relies on the vegetation of the earth to survive as well as all other forms of food in our ecosystem,
We must form bonds with both nature and man and if we refuse to do so, we will suffer the consequences.
@MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE what would you say is the nature of the creator?
Philosophy and religion has tried to answer that question for millennia,
Many say the creator is good, many say the creator is bad,
The creator is the creator of all things in this universe therefore every quality that is made manifest, emanates from the creator,
He is both good and bad,he lives but not among the living, nor does he live a life known by the living,He is curious yet all knowing, He is all powerful but also gentle,
The creators nature is beyond the mediocre conception of man, many questions that we have we lack the ability to grasp the answer and no matter what we hear about the creator, there are qualities about the creator that are LITERALLY unutterable, therefore the creator has many unknowable qualities,
When we all pass on from this plane we will learn a little more but the creator is a master of secrets and he would not be fit for that title if a mere human can predict 100% what he&she is.
neither the preservation of nature nor kinship are objective
with the extinction of the human race will come the extinction of these values