Message from @Ascetic

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2020-03-30 19:59:44 UTC  

then yes

2020-03-30 20:00:25 UTC  

I don't think an infant is capable of understanding what a human is.

2020-03-30 20:00:26 UTC  

though I would guess that level of awareness that we might describe as consciousness would appear pretty late

2020-03-30 20:00:34 UTC  

eh

2020-03-30 20:01:22 UTC  

The infant knows they're alive, they know that their mother will provide them food and all, but they just can't understand what a human is.

2020-03-30 20:01:54 UTC  

Because a newborn animal knows they're alive and that their mother provides them food as well.

2020-03-30 20:02:09 UTC  

I honestly prefer this definition - the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself

2020-03-30 20:02:58 UTC  

though consciousness would fully probably develop couple of months after birth

2020-03-30 20:03:34 UTC  

there are some signs of awareness through the entire development

2020-03-30 20:03:43 UTC  

but if I have to put an arbitrary line

2020-03-30 20:04:35 UTC  

an year after birth at the latest possible.

2020-03-30 20:05:04 UTC  

but calling babies before that unconsciousness would be disingenuous

2020-03-30 20:25:27 UTC  

> 📚 **Daily Philosophical Question.**
> -*When does human consciousness begin?*
> <@&682288520680964151>
@Koninos when "I" say so.

2020-03-30 21:09:36 UTC  

Budum tsss

2020-03-30 21:10:37 UTC  

@Koninos I think that's self conciousness/self certainty

2020-03-30 21:10:57 UTC  

Conciousness would be when we are more just *aware* in general

2020-03-30 21:11:26 UTC  

At a certain point in gestation I believe we demonstrate basic awareness

2020-03-30 22:53:50 UTC  

it's both
genetics sets base level and society is how we target it.
Somebody that would be a warlord 500 years ago won't have much use in present society.

2020-03-30 23:20:31 UTC  

Yeah no.

2020-03-30 23:21:43 UTC  

2020-03-31 00:35:30 UTC  

In psychology, consciousness usually begins at the age of 2 for realizing you are a living being.

2020-03-31 00:45:34 UTC  

isn't conscious more tough?

2020-03-31 00:45:49 UTC  

seems kinda weird that somebody isn't conscious

2020-03-31 00:47:11 UTC  

Human consciousness, not consciousness alone.

2020-03-31 01:03:36 UTC  

@Koninos is that communism?

2020-03-31 01:11:43 UTC  

?

2020-03-31 01:23:32 UTC  

Human consciousness, working in unity, perhaps... Is communism?

2020-03-31 17:22:20 UTC  

Collaboration is communism lmao

2020-03-31 22:04:11 UTC  

📚 Daily Philosophical Question.
-*Are there universal, objective values? If so what are they and where do they come from?*
<@&682288520680964151>

2020-03-31 22:04:23 UTC  

what do you mean with values?

2020-03-31 22:04:32 UTC  

like what's good and wrong?

2020-03-31 22:05:08 UTC  

Yes

2020-03-31 22:05:22 UTC  

Or stuff like courage and honour being objectively good

2020-03-31 22:05:32 UTC  

they're not lol spoilers

2020-03-31 22:05:49 UTC  

in that case I think some of them are objective.
Like we can all agree that murder and theft are wrong.

2020-03-31 22:16:13 UTC  

@The Desert Fox VI Yes There are universal objective values,
Two values are the preservation of nature and the preservation of kinship,
These values are programmed into us by the creator of the universe and violating these values can shorten your lifespan and the lifespan of others,
Upholding these values allow a fertile environment for man to flourish.
These 2 values echo through the cultures and religions of the world,
E.g. when god created Adam and saw that he was lonely he realised that no man is an island, and man must form bonds to tether himself to this earth or he will become lonely and depressed(self destructive)
In Christianity and Islam Man is created from the dust of the ground and will return to it, man also relies on the vegetation of the earth to survive as well as all other forms of food in our ecosystem,
We must form bonds with both nature and man and if we refuse to do so, we will suffer the consequences.

2020-03-31 22:18:02 UTC  

@MENELIK THE IMPENETRABLE what would you say is the nature of the creator?

2020-03-31 22:30:03 UTC  

Philosophy and religion has tried to answer that question for millennia,
Many say the creator is good, many say the creator is bad,
The creator is the creator of all things in this universe therefore every quality that is made manifest, emanates from the creator,
He is both good and bad,he lives but not among the living, nor does he live a life known by the living,He is curious yet all knowing, He is all powerful but also gentle,
The creators nature is beyond the mediocre conception of man, many questions that we have we lack the ability to grasp the answer and no matter what we hear about the creator, there are qualities about the creator that are LITERALLY unutterable, therefore the creator has many unknowable qualities,
When we all pass on from this plane we will learn a little more but the creator is a master of secrets and he would not be fit for that title if a mere human can predict 100% what he&she is.

2020-03-31 22:30:09 UTC  

neither the preservation of nature nor kinship are objective

2020-03-31 22:30:26 UTC  

with the extinction of the human race will come the extinction of these values