@Maksim Whether or not we have free will is irrelevant to God, as he knows all. And while we may be destined to fate, it is objective to act as if we do at all times so that we do not fall into acts of laziness, lust, or other afflictions.

but its relevant to us.

Ok

And?

It is irrelevant to a God

says who @Deleted User

u?

you know what god thinks?

No. None of us do. But do our lives, whether fateful or by will, truly effect how a God would function?

I think not

Man is made in the image of God which means he has Will. But is still restricted by God's realm and his higher will

I've heard Calvinists believe heaven and hell is predetermined but I view religion through a metaphorical lense. How I see it is if I lead a good life and do good by those around me they'll view me in a positive light after I die so in their minds I'll be in some sort of heaven, and the opposite for some sort of hell of course.

@Koninos Eyes are deceptive. For example, is sunrise and sunset real. no,. small minded beings can't determine things out of their plain of perception. Even when we do determining Good & Evil is always distorted. Think of humans as a goldfish in a fish bowl. Thank you

No

@Deleted User If your response consists of “no” genuinely fuck off

^

I wasnt talking to you @Deleted User

No is a valid response to randomness

which is what salva spewed out.

That's a genuine response to being too certain of your senses

What does it mean to be too certain of your senses

I'm with Rais

That's some nonsense

human beings can make out good from evil.

It means that despite what you see we can only make inferences, therefore senses are not always a good judge.

even from an abrahamic point of view

No

You cannot

oh yeah

Yeah

adam and eve and all that right

so why be certain of anything?

That’s exactly what i’m saying

if we cant even trust our own senses, why not assume this entire world i see and derive is just fairy tale

its my own insane mind making things up?

In life itself you cannot be certain of almost everything except logic and God.

what..

how can we be certain of logic

without using our senses

if i cant even trust whether i feel something hot or cold how can i trust "logic" or understand it

Because these are metaphysics