But when you have the right guy

In the right place

At the exact right time

It seems like more than luck

We have free will in terms of like, what I'm gonna eat or how I'm gonna pay off a mortgage, but not in terms of salvation.

Because Hitler was just barely not hit by artillery due to feeling a sudden urge to just walk away

That shit doesn't just happen to people without some divine intervention

^ or its called luck/coincidence

@Shalopy But on that, what basis is there for organized religion to exist at all?

Did you read all that I just said

Or just the last bit

Because if everyone is already predestined to hell or heaven, what's the point?

yeah its your opinion.

just cuz you "feel its more than luck!" doesnt mean its not.

before christianity, romans saw luck as a divine blessing from the goddess fortuna (fortune)

Nigga all of religion is belief unless you have seen it with your own eyes, which I doubt you have

?

So what's the point of saying, "well that's just what you believe"

>subjectivity

😬

Subjectivity is real

@Deleted User are you Christian

No, I'm Yiddish

Of course I'm Christian lmao

@Maksim Whether or not we have free will is irrelevant to God, as he knows all. And while we may be destined to fate, it is objective to act as if we do at all times so that we do not fall into acts of laziness, lust, or other afflictions.

but its relevant to us.

Ok

And?

It is irrelevant to a God

says who @Deleted User

u?

you know what god thinks?

No. None of us do. But do our lives, whether fateful or by will, truly effect how a God would function?

I think not

Man is made in the image of God which means he has Will. But is still restricted by God's realm and his higher will

I've heard Calvinists believe heaven and hell is predetermined but I view religion through a metaphorical lense. How I see it is if I lead a good life and do good by those around me they'll view me in a positive light after I die so in their minds I'll be in some sort of heaven, and the opposite for some sort of hell of course.

@Koninos Eyes are deceptive. For example, is sunrise and sunset real. no,. small minded beings can't determine things out of their plain of perception. Even when we do determining Good & Evil is always distorted. Think of humans as a goldfish in a fish bowl. Thank you

No

@Deleted User If your response consists of “no” genuinely fuck off

^

I wasnt talking to you @Deleted User