Message from @Sentient23
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the phone is higher than the number dialing
the money is higher than the phone i bought with it
the money caused the phone the phone caused the number dialing
I don't like the phrasing "caused" since it implies that that has already transpired, and if B ceased to exist, C would continue to exist, lets use "is causing" since this phrasing is what is meant by hierarchical structure of change
so essentially everything is predetermined
what
so C wouldnt exist if B wouldnt exist either
B wouldnt without C
hmmmmmmmmm
well yes but that doesnt change much
this is really difficult
but i really get your point now
Why would B not exist if C doesn't exist? B would not exist only if A didn't exist
B cant exist if C doesnt because B caused C and if C wasnt caused (didnt exist) then B cant exist because if B existed then it would have caused C
The existence of B does not cause C per se, depending on the situation, since thats dependent on other seperate parts which enable B to cause C
well but they are all inside the same system
if B exists then C has to exist and if C exists then B has to exist
Right okay i understand what you're saying right now
Anyway we're getting off topic
Now that you understand this
Do you understand why each member deriving its mode of power from another is impossible? As nothing is being derived
well i get the point its that you cant derrive anything that doesnt exist and if every member is based on the previous one then we will never have anything being derived
i mean it makes sense in that way
yes thats the arugment essentially
its the same idea as if all classmates try to copy the homework from each other
then none has homework because none actually did it
Yes that's a very good analogy actually
they all just tried to copy it from each other
well good we agree anyways im going to bed now its pretty late
but i wont sleep because now i cant stop thinking about this
well good night
Good night
Have a good night
Now @Doktor Goon Something which Is Pure Act entails a couple of things
1. Omnipotence
and
2. Omnipresence
Since this argument establishes that whenever SOMETHING changes, god is supplying the most fundamental material thing with the necessary actuality to actualize everything else
This is how god is defined in classical theology
I follow
cringe
ok so that's basically how this leads to god lol
Okay so where does it prove God
Pure Act encompasses something which is eternal, unchangable, omnipotent and omnipresent, that "something" is therefore defined as "god"