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well yes but that doesnt change much

this is really difficult

but i really get your point now

Why would B not exist if C doesn't exist? B would not exist only if A didn't exist

B cant exist if C doesnt because B caused C and if C wasnt caused (didnt exist) then B cant exist because if B existed then it would have caused C

The existence of B does not cause C per se, depending on the situation, since thats dependent on other seperate parts which enable B to cause C

well but they are all inside the same system

if B exists then C has to exist and if C exists then B has to exist

Right okay i understand what you're saying right now

Anyway we're getting off topic

Now that you understand this

Do you understand why each member deriving its mode of power from another is impossible? As nothing is being derived

well i get the point its that you cant derrive anything that doesnt exist and if every member is based on the previous one then we will never have anything being derived

i mean it makes sense in that way

yes thats the arugment essentially

its the same idea as if all classmates try to copy the homework from each other

then none has homework because none actually did it

Yes that's a very good analogy actually

they all just tried to copy it from each other

well good we agree anyways im going to bed now its pretty late

but i wont sleep because now i cant stop thinking about this

well good night

Good night

Have a good night

Now @Doktor Goon Something which Is Pure Act entails a couple of things
1. Omnipotence
and
2. Omnipresence

Since this argument establishes that whenever SOMETHING changes, god is supplying the most fundamental material thing with the necessary actuality to actualize everything else

This is how god is defined in classical theology

I follow

cringe

ok so that's basically how this leads to god lol

Okay so where does it prove God

Pure Act encompasses something which is eternal, unchangable, omnipotent and omnipresent, that "something" is therefore defined as "god"

Pure act is God yes?

Where is pure act?

What I kind of wanted to drive home more is people want tangible things they can immediately look at and go "that exists"

To people who can't see God or anything like that he may as well not exist

Yes material things can be verified by mere observence

immaterial things cannot be verified by mere observence

Its a very hard concept to grasp on at the begining due to our material limitations, but over time, you can *kind of* conceptualize it

But I guess the million dollar question really is