but they don't die, right?

If your not ortho get up out my trap house!

They don't die, there's a man who did it 32 years in a row. It's also denounced by the church, but I respect their spirit and fervor greatly

i've been kind of analyzing hesychasm now and i don't see what the massive issue that you have with it

Palamism creates a composition in God and leads to polytheism

It also contradicts the immutability of God

how does the energy-essence distinction lead to polytheism and how does it contradict the immutability of God?

Palamas thought that God's energies were distinct from his essence, and not only were they distinct by relations like the trinity, they were entirely distinct, and God was composed, which is unacceptable. Further he taught that the energies had a beginning, and thus God changed.

the energies are God's actions

the energy-essence distinction makes perfect sense

It does not, it's heretical

It introduced two divinities, which he believed one was superior to the other

when you are praying, you feel the energy of God

and thus you know God

God is absolutely simple

but you don't know the essence of God

no

There is no composition in God

you're misinterpreting st palamas completely

I am not, I can quote these

he didn't believe that there were two Gods that made up a God

feel free to

These are almost entirely quoted

"But the divine essence that surpasses all names, also surpasses energy, to the extent that the subject of an action also surpasses it's object"
Keep in mind ```If anyone does not confess *one nature and one essence* of Father and son and Holy Spirit, and *one power and authority*, a consubstantial Trinity to be worshipped as one Godhead... let such a one be anathema```
"The superessential essence of God is not to be identified with the energies *even those without a beginning*"
"His essence which exceeds his untreated energies"
The orthodox do believe the energies change as well.

i don't see how this is a polytheistic interpretation

could you answer my question though

when you're praying, do you know God?

You will not know God entirely within your mind no

But you cannot introduce composition into the Godhead

this is definitely something to think about

but i don't see it as necessarily polytheistic in any ways

It's not intentionally, but it's the reason we cannot believe the trinity is truly distinct

It leads to polytheism

Well they are truly distinct

That's bad phrasing

We cannot believe they are seperate in essence

yeah i get your point

guess i'll have to study it more

https://youtu.be/d07mgLoOW8g this talks about it in the middle for the majority of the video

@Eoppa Palamas literally argues the opposite of what you claim in the quote you cited. Composition implies combination, to which you are true to say implies a secondary decomposition (into such particulars of which to be combined), and therefore implicates many forms of God divided, or what you may call polytheism. Notice, however, that St. Palamas uses the term "consubstantial", that is, authority with the substance, essence, of the Trinity. Therefore, he argues against a composite identity by formalizing this distinction. There are other, better passages where he makes the essence-energy distinction more "real", but I remind you that in these he holds the essence-energy distinction as epistemological, not ontological, and as such does not impose a hierarchical procession of identities of these (so as to not reduce God into a composite/pluralvocity of being). St Palamas, therefore, doesn't explicitly make a real/actual distinction in His essence and energies, but rather makes a formal distinction, which is precisely what Duns Scotus did, who yet purported God's univocity. I will also remind you that Aquinas made a virtual distinction of God's essence and energies to expound what he said. But, it would be unwise to rebuke either the subtle doctor or St Aquinas: Why Palamas?