Message from @Valkindir

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2020-02-04 04:14:13 UTC  

What do these words mean?

2020-02-04 04:14:20 UTC  

Are you sure?

2020-02-04 04:14:53 UTC  

If I subordinate something in one case, does that mean I subordinate them in all cases?

2020-02-04 04:15:23 UTC  

If they aren't equal in all cases, that is heresy no?

2020-02-04 04:15:51 UTC  

"This sentence is false"

2020-02-04 04:16:01 UTC  

Is it?

2020-02-04 04:16:05 UTC  

Is it not?

2020-02-04 04:16:22 UTC  

You can only tell through language by subordination

2020-02-04 04:16:47 UTC  

What do you mean? If you mean submit to dogma, then I submit to divine simplicity

2020-02-04 04:17:07 UTC  

God is Love

2020-02-04 04:17:11 UTC  

is he just that?

2020-02-04 04:17:18 UTC  

Orthodox theologians typically argue against divine simplicity

2020-02-04 04:17:32 UTC  

Love = Being = Goodness = etc

2020-02-04 04:18:11 UTC  

Not only is God love, he is all of these because he is simple.

2020-02-04 04:18:52 UTC  

If you deny his existence is synonymous with his essence, like Jay Dyer or such do, you can't say the same

2020-02-04 04:19:39 UTC  

@Eoppa rn I'm just trying to talk with you, not Jay Dyer, not Bishop Fulton Sheen. If you'd be willing to teach me and me you, we can both benefit. Notice that you just ennumerated attributes of God. These attributes form a count. That is, they are elements/composites in our language. However, our language is incomplete for it is not the fullness of the Logos

2020-02-04 04:22:02 UTC  

Well according to Aquinas, each of these attributes are different reflections of the logos, they aren't really different. It's not a composition because they are all synonymous. Being itself is non composite, that is why if we can call God one thing it is that he is. I would love to know more about Palamism, that's why I debate.

2020-02-04 04:22:23 UTC  

I've been reading into EO philosophy more and more because it is something I'm lacking on

2020-02-04 04:23:15 UTC  

Right, but in ennumerating them, we have made them distinct and differentiated them

2020-02-04 04:23:36 UTC  

fundamentally they are the same, of the same origin, that is, Him

2020-02-04 04:23:59 UTC  

functionally, we tell of them in a way which composes them

2020-02-04 04:24:12 UTC  

Palamas is basically saying

2020-02-04 04:24:31 UTC  

we learn of God through this function, in more ways than just language

2020-02-04 04:24:38 UTC  

Fundamentally, He Is

2020-02-04 04:26:40 UTC  

> Fundamentally, He Is

What do you mean by just He is?

2020-02-04 04:27:10 UTC  

"I AM the I AM"

2020-02-04 04:27:31 UTC  

the ontological statement of the fundamental being of beings

2020-02-04 04:28:11 UTC  

Oh, I understand. I'll go back to lurking now.

2020-02-04 04:28:19 UTC  

kek

2020-02-04 04:29:35 UTC  

a more down to earth way of saying it is that in the two words "He Is", the "who", He, God, was, is, and will be

2020-02-04 04:30:22 UTC  

If EO don't reject ADS why do they try so hard to refute it?

2020-02-04 04:30:33 UTC  

They argue pretty hard that he is composed

2020-02-04 04:30:50 UTC  

and, the necessity of what requires all those things to have been true forever, is the first and final cause, the beginning and the end, God @Deleted User

2020-02-04 04:31:10 UTC  

@Eoppa well, do I come across as sensible so far?

2020-02-04 04:31:33 UTC  

reasonable?

2020-02-04 04:31:50 UTC  

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2020-02-04 04:31:50 UTC  

Yes, this is just the Thomistic view of the ADS so far

2020-02-04 04:32:23 UTC  

I don't see how the EED contradicts it if it's just synonymous with it

2020-02-04 04:33:10 UTC  

Was Palamas not speaking about the trinity?

2020-02-04 04:34:03 UTC  

In that the essence is the holy spirit, the being and creator/energies is the Father, and the son interacts further from there?

2020-02-04 04:34:15 UTC  

Or am I missing something?