Message from @moira
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Explain how its formally invalid plz
Sure
Theological fatalism basically states that god knows X therefore necessarily X will happen
However, thats an invalid inference rule, since god knowing X will happen does not mean X will happen necessarily
no, im sorry but if i being knows everything AND THEN CREATES A BEING he must know everything that being will do. Do you follow and accept this?
I already said yes, and I already explained how it doesn't follow that free will is an illusion from that
X will happen =/= x will happen necessarily
i just literally did lol
Okay, well. How does a being that knows all make something with choice?
This is the same issue reworded
The same answer
God knowing x will happen isnt x hapening necessarily, therefore there is room for not doing x and doing y
I don't understand ofvo's point
yes but
no
Because then I DONT KNOW ALL
Right?
No? How does that follow
wtf man
why
how the fuck
You seem to think that just because god knows X, x will necessarily happen as X has already happened which isnt true
as me wanking is only true when i wank
God operates beyond time itself
He's not bound by time
thus the objection doesn't apply since he's beyond time itself, and hence no "necessarily x will happen" as x didnt already happen since there was no time to begin with
since "x will happen" implies time
I always get here with folks. Its a binary. You are omnipotent and omniscient and know all or you dont.
If you do, its impossible to create something with freewill because in reality you know everything it will do before it does it. If you say god only knows potentials then god ISNT omnipotent.
unless you change definition.
Dude youre restating yourself at this point
you might as well talk to yourself
I cba to have a debate with someone who argues like you
>presents argument X
>presents counter argument against X
>restates X
No time for this, bye
I am because what you say doesnt rebutt that
If it does, please reword
gg fam
im sorry your abstract thinking skills are of a 9 year old
Explain it like im 9
i said im not gonna continue the debate, dont be zealous
Im not. I genuinely want you to explain it to me
My gripe addresses three core ideas in christianity.
God is omnipotent.
God knows all.
God has a morality.
Yes to all of these?
and i already told you that im genuinely not gonna lol, requesting it again wont change my mind mate, you might wanna work on your argumentation since this "repeat it 20 times even when i get a counter argument" tactic is really sad