Message from @moira

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2020-02-07 17:45:46 UTC  

Explain how its formally invalid plz

2020-02-07 17:45:53 UTC  

Sure

2020-02-07 17:46:39 UTC  

Theological fatalism basically states that god knows X therefore necessarily X will happen
However, thats an invalid inference rule, since god knowing X will happen does not mean X will happen necessarily

2020-02-07 17:48:36 UTC  

no, im sorry but if i being knows everything AND THEN CREATES A BEING he must know everything that being will do. Do you follow and accept this?

2020-02-07 17:49:12 UTC  

I already said yes, and I already explained how it doesn't follow that free will is an illusion from that

2020-02-07 17:49:32 UTC  

X will happen =/= x will happen necessarily

2020-02-07 17:49:51 UTC  

i just literally did lol

2020-02-07 17:50:30 UTC  

Okay, well. How does a being that knows all make something with choice?

2020-02-07 17:50:47 UTC  

This is the same issue reworded

2020-02-07 17:51:01 UTC  

The same answer

2020-02-07 17:51:17 UTC  

God knowing x will happen isnt x hapening necessarily, therefore there is room for not doing x and doing y

2020-02-07 17:51:28 UTC  

I don't understand ofvo's point

2020-02-07 17:51:38 UTC  

yes but

2020-02-07 17:51:39 UTC  

no

2020-02-07 17:51:45 UTC  

Because then I DONT KNOW ALL

2020-02-07 17:51:51 UTC  

Right?

2020-02-07 17:51:55 UTC  

No? How does that follow

2020-02-07 17:52:15 UTC  

wtf man

2020-02-07 17:52:18 UTC  

why

2020-02-07 17:52:23 UTC  

how the fuck

2020-02-07 17:52:32 UTC  

this bothers me a lot

2020-02-07 17:52:50 UTC  

You seem to think that just because god knows X, x will necessarily happen as X has already happened which isnt true

2020-02-07 17:53:04 UTC  

as me wanking is only true when i wank

2020-02-07 17:53:16 UTC  

God operates beyond time itself

2020-02-07 17:53:21 UTC  

He's not bound by time

2020-02-07 17:53:57 UTC  

thus the objection doesn't apply since he's beyond time itself, and hence no "necessarily x will happen" as x didnt already happen since there was no time to begin with

2020-02-07 17:54:24 UTC  

since "x will happen" implies time

2020-02-07 17:55:10 UTC  

I always get here with folks. Its a binary. You are omnipotent and omniscient and know all or you dont.

If you do, its impossible to create something with freewill because in reality you know everything it will do before it does it. If you say god only knows potentials then god ISNT omnipotent.
unless you change definition.

2020-02-07 17:55:27 UTC  

Dude youre restating yourself at this point

2020-02-07 17:55:31 UTC  

you might as well talk to yourself

2020-02-07 17:55:38 UTC  

I cba to have a debate with someone who argues like you

2020-02-07 17:55:50 UTC  

>presents argument X
>presents counter argument against X
>restates X

2020-02-07 17:55:54 UTC  

No time for this, bye

2020-02-07 17:56:14 UTC  

I am because what you say doesnt rebutt that
If it does, please reword

2020-02-07 17:56:20 UTC  

gg fam

2020-02-07 17:56:33 UTC  

im sorry your abstract thinking skills are of a 9 year old

2020-02-07 17:57:07 UTC  

Explain it like im 9

2020-02-07 17:57:25 UTC  

i said im not gonna continue the debate, dont be zealous

2020-02-07 17:58:05 UTC  

Im not. I genuinely want you to explain it to me

2020-02-07 17:59:14 UTC  

My gripe addresses three core ideas in christianity.

God is omnipotent.
God knows all.
God has a morality.

Yes to all of these?

2020-02-07 17:59:26 UTC  

and i already told you that im genuinely not gonna lol, requesting it again wont change my mind mate, you might wanna work on your argumentation since this "repeat it 20 times even when i get a counter argument" tactic is really sad