Message from @Sentient23
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The argument is essentially theological fatalism, its just that your conclusion is concerning the implication being that god cannot therefore be omnipotent
And all im saying is, that the conclusion is untrue because the argument is untrue, and the argument is untrue because its formally invalid
Formal invalidity entails the absence of an adequate inference rule, and an inference rule in propositional logic is THE thing which connects the conclusion and the premises
and since the conclusion and the premises arent connected, the argument is generally useless
What the fuck
Where did you rebutt me
Its untrue, because its untrue
Yeah thats definitely what I said
It illogical because its nonsensical
I said its untrue because its formally invalid
No
I never said that lol
stop fucking strawmaning me
Explain how its formally invalid plz
Sure
Theological fatalism basically states that god knows X therefore necessarily X will happen
However, thats an invalid inference rule, since god knowing X will happen does not mean X will happen necessarily
no, im sorry but if i being knows everything AND THEN CREATES A BEING he must know everything that being will do. Do you follow and accept this?
I already said yes, and I already explained how it doesn't follow that free will is an illusion from that
X will happen =/= x will happen necessarily
i just literally did lol
Okay, well. How does a being that knows all make something with choice?
This is the same issue reworded
God knowing x will happen isnt x hapening necessarily, therefore there is room for not doing x and doing y
I don't understand ofvo's point
yes but
no
Because then I DONT KNOW ALL
Right?
No? How does that follow
wtf man
why
how the fuck
this bothers me a lot
You seem to think that just because god knows X, x will necessarily happen as X has already happened which isnt true
as me wanking is only true when i wank
God operates beyond time itself
He's not bound by time
thus the objection doesn't apply since he's beyond time itself, and hence no "necessarily x will happen" as x didnt already happen since there was no time to begin with
since "x will happen" implies time
I always get here with folks. Its a binary. You are omnipotent and omniscient and know all or you dont.
If you do, its impossible to create something with freewill because in reality you know everything it will do before it does it. If you say god only knows potentials then god ISNT omnipotent.
unless you change definition.
Dude youre restating yourself at this point
you might as well talk to yourself