Message from @Sentient23

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2020-02-07 17:43:30 UTC  

i will reply

2020-02-07 17:43:44 UTC  

The argument is essentially theological fatalism, its just that your conclusion is concerning the implication being that god cannot therefore be omnipotent
And all im saying is, that the conclusion is untrue because the argument is untrue, and the argument is untrue because its formally invalid
Formal invalidity entails the absence of an adequate inference rule, and an inference rule in propositional logic is THE thing which connects the conclusion and the premises
and since the conclusion and the premises arent connected, the argument is generally useless

2020-02-07 17:44:27 UTC  

What the fuck

2020-02-07 17:44:35 UTC  

Where did you rebutt me

2020-02-07 17:45:00 UTC  

Its untrue, because its untrue

2020-02-07 17:45:07 UTC  

Yeah thats definitely what I said

2020-02-07 17:45:11 UTC  

It illogical because its nonsensical

2020-02-07 17:45:12 UTC  

I said its untrue because its formally invalid

2020-02-07 17:45:14 UTC  

No

2020-02-07 17:45:16 UTC  

I never said that lol

2020-02-07 17:45:19 UTC  

stop fucking strawmaning me

2020-02-07 17:45:46 UTC  

Explain how its formally invalid plz

2020-02-07 17:45:53 UTC  

Sure

2020-02-07 17:46:39 UTC  

Theological fatalism basically states that god knows X therefore necessarily X will happen
However, thats an invalid inference rule, since god knowing X will happen does not mean X will happen necessarily

2020-02-07 17:48:36 UTC  

no, im sorry but if i being knows everything AND THEN CREATES A BEING he must know everything that being will do. Do you follow and accept this?

2020-02-07 17:49:12 UTC  

I already said yes, and I already explained how it doesn't follow that free will is an illusion from that

2020-02-07 17:49:32 UTC  

X will happen =/= x will happen necessarily

2020-02-07 17:49:51 UTC  

i just literally did lol

2020-02-07 17:50:30 UTC  

Okay, well. How does a being that knows all make something with choice?

2020-02-07 17:50:47 UTC  

This is the same issue reworded

2020-02-07 17:51:01 UTC  

The same answer

2020-02-07 17:51:17 UTC  

God knowing x will happen isnt x hapening necessarily, therefore there is room for not doing x and doing y

2020-02-07 17:51:28 UTC  

I don't understand ofvo's point

2020-02-07 17:51:38 UTC  

yes but

2020-02-07 17:51:39 UTC  

no

2020-02-07 17:51:45 UTC  

Because then I DONT KNOW ALL

2020-02-07 17:51:51 UTC  

Right?

2020-02-07 17:51:55 UTC  

No? How does that follow

2020-02-07 17:52:15 UTC  

wtf man

2020-02-07 17:52:18 UTC  

why

2020-02-07 17:52:23 UTC  

how the fuck

2020-02-07 17:52:32 UTC  

this bothers me a lot

2020-02-07 17:52:50 UTC  

You seem to think that just because god knows X, x will necessarily happen as X has already happened which isnt true

2020-02-07 17:53:04 UTC  

as me wanking is only true when i wank

2020-02-07 17:53:16 UTC  

God operates beyond time itself

2020-02-07 17:53:21 UTC  

He's not bound by time

2020-02-07 17:53:57 UTC  

thus the objection doesn't apply since he's beyond time itself, and hence no "necessarily x will happen" as x didnt already happen since there was no time to begin with

2020-02-07 17:54:24 UTC  

since "x will happen" implies time

2020-02-07 17:55:10 UTC  

I always get here with folks. Its a binary. You are omnipotent and omniscient and know all or you dont.

If you do, its impossible to create something with freewill because in reality you know everything it will do before it does it. If you say god only knows potentials then god ISNT omnipotent.
unless you change definition.

2020-02-07 17:55:27 UTC  

Dude youre restating yourself at this point

2020-02-07 17:55:31 UTC  

you might as well talk to yourself