@moira how is religion harmful?

An ungrounded system of belief or the metaphysical unjustified belief in the supernatural as a justification for the physical world

Alright, how would you feel if i were to define science as "satanic worship of Lucifer and his demons"?

You cannot define our ideas in reference to your evaluation of our ideas

I wouldn't care because the only people who would aren't worth listening to

The example is to illustrate that you can't define our terms for us

*Unjustified Belief*

The definition you provided was evidently formulated by an atheist, or an anti theist

Im assuming you believe the universe just popped in existence

lol

I doubt a single theologian, or just religious person, would agree with that silly definition

god did the /summon command to create the universe

The universe just decided to exist one day

*pop*

Okay, so you're going to say "you don't *really* know what we're saying"
It's a big Dodge, but in the context of a religious person (Christian in this case) those are bad. I can ask you to elaborate on what all those words really mean or we can look at the Christian assumption if there's actually more nuance

How the hell is correcting your strawmanie flawed definition a dodge?

Its the opposite of a dodge, it would've been a dodge if i didn't address the definition

You asked me to describe religion

Unjustified is something opinionated you put in your definition

Well, describe how it's harmful.

I never asked you to describe religion

I asked how is it harmful

Then you provided a definition of religion

Which was flawed

It's harmful because the ideas are placed without a solid axiomatic grounding

As i said above

Is the big bang theory not axiomatic?

??

Mate

Is it without any problems?

Do you even know what an axiom is Lux?

If an idea doesn't have an axiom, then its even more valid than one which does

axioms are unjustified foundations of beliefs

Some axioms are justifiable, via trascendental arguments

Which some Christians use to prove theism

but regardless

A core unjustified belief.

I know

Alright, so what's the point of saying what you say? if its unjustified, what is a "solid unjustification" lol

Yes, a belief in the betterment of people would require the extrapolation of what that means, but to follow that with a god is to neccessisarily presume the god before the betterment of people, resulting in that axiom being ungrounded and being a follow if the axiom of the god. Like I said, if it were more modern and was capable of change, I wouldn't mind as much, but that's not we typically talk about when we say religion

What the hell does any of what you just said mean lol, this is an epitome of a word salad
You just basically said "if its contrary to my axiom, its not solid"