We find meaning and light in the deepest depths of chaos and darkness.

the claim to legitimacy of numerology is that it's a sacred language and sacred texts, they're supposed to be exposing meaning that was actually put there, designed into the language and organized by OT writers. and hebrew like chinese has a meaning to each character and builds concepts out of combining them. english isn't even like that.

And yet it works

and if the numbers don't matter, why use a system at all, why not change them all the time, or just write a script that pulls phrases at random?

Why would I ignore a system for exposing meaning if it works?

those probably already exist

Do you really think the Jews knew about the coronavirus thousands of years ago and made corona in hebrew have the same value as the commandment not to eat from a living animal?

you're not "exposing meaning" if "the numbers aren't special we are" then you're imposing a meaning, it's coming from you,- invented, not being discovered

http://gematrinator.com/calculator/index.php
There are other ciphers if you want
http://www.masoncode.com/c/gematria-codes/

Do what you will

This one essentially lines up with hebrew

The tool isn't magic, we are conduits of power.

you can *de*crypt something with a cipher only if someone actually encoded that message with it in the first place. if there's no claim that that was intended, and you could assign the key any way you want, then whatever "meaning" you pick out is just coincidence

Gematria was never intended to be about encryption or finding intentionally placed meanings

It can be used that way but it isn't for that

aren't there verses in the bible about how you shouldn't do this kind of thing? isn't it against magic and sorcery and stuff?

Even if that's true I'm not in this for my own salvation.

and definitely this occult crowley person

its obvious to anyone who has any remote knowledge of the bible and Christianity that what he does is heretical and pagan

what are you "in this" for?

This dude straight up claims every apostle was a heretic

well, Paul was

😬

I claim that Paul was and that the rest lost sight of what Jesus said

yeah that's fine

And you already admitted you need to reject Jesus to maintain this

I'm not a part of your church so I guess I understand why you see that as a rejection

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haha grammatic error = argument invalid

Ok

No, you said I was only convincing you that Christianity was false

Because you refuse to accept basic Christian principles

While claiming you are a devout Christian

I said you were working to convince me it was false as you only sought to highlight the contradictions in the teachings of Jesus versus the apostles

No, you held a position that was not thought out, put in context or anything, and refused to change when I pointed out how you should view it.

For someone into numerology and such you should know context matters

You said, "the Bible was written by fallible men and we have no written testament from Christ; how do we know we have his words?"

That is working to convince me it is false

No, I was using your claims

If you hold those positions, you cannot be a Christian

It's that simple

We are more than the sum of our intentions @Eoppa