okay, so Hermeticism and Catholicism are both foundationally premised upon the ability to use logos as a means of understanding and predicting reality. Hermeticism tells you how to be good but being good isn't implicit in the faith. The ultimate truth of God is that his power is what allows for him to be an arbiter of morality and nothing else, so morality is dictated by power but the consequences are not

Hermeticists are supposed to promote the existence of our species and existence overall.

Sometimes creation is fueled through the promologation of suffering and passion: Doing nothing is the equivalent to fading away.

destruction is the first part of creation

Death is the final step before birth

Same principle: every man and woman is a star: and stars explode into stardust which become new stars

the eternal cycle

Yup

tbh its one of if not the most beautiful thing that exists

Talking about Hermeticism? Cool.

Life is poetry in motion: sometimes the depths of suffering are beautiful and provide us with meaning that motivates us to move on.

suffering is struggle and struggle is the engine of life

@Greg Noir It can be a bit difficult with the Christians because they generally just tend to ignore me. But yeah

"christians"

Oh.

I wanted to read about Hermeticism because I learned it was a continuation of the Egyptian religion.

sorta

not the religion as a whole but the philosohpy

From what I can gather it's a Greek system based on Babylonian and Egyptian metaphysics

Oh, is that what metaphysics is? I simply called it theology.

greek and egyptian paganism are quite similar because the greeks ruled egypt for quite a long time

It's a magical framework that is built on the presupposition that we were created by a God that loves us and wants us to create.

Yes, the Ptolemaic period.

I've read magic is part of Hermeticism. Is that how it is practiced? I think there is a difference between the ancient and modern Hermeticism.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/497115?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Babylonian Origin of Hermes the Snake-God, and of the Caduceus I
https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-egyptian-magicians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep

@Greg Noir The difference being secular science was divorced from theology. Principally Hermetic philosophy lines up with quantum physics

I'll read on these articles.

Perception affects the superposition of objects in reality. There also seems to be non local observer dependence on super positions as well which implies reality is cognitive

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/9/eaaw9832
http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Bell%27s_theorem

Here's the basics of hermeticism from the perspective of the Kybalion (the actual Hermetic texts are known as the Corpus Hermeticum"

I've got a library of books on this stuff that I'll send your way

Ah, this is what you mean by the physics?

This is a very simplified version of it, but essentially

It is a way of understanding life through a set of laws then.

Essentially, you'd be surprised how many of the "Islamic scientists" who muslims hold up as testament to their scientific achievements actually were hermeticists.

I learned in HS that much of Greek philosophy was preserved by Muslims and brought to Europe by trade. Before Mohammed there were the Mandaeans, a Gnostic religion still existing in present day Iraq.

Now you've given me something to look up, I had never heard of this group before, though I am familiar with gnostics. I find it interesting that they still maintain the title system of rabbi though

I find it interesting that they integrated baptism as a ritual. I took a quick glance at their main holy book, Ginza Rba, and it seems to be some metaphysical polytheism in which their gods embody aspects of the spiritual world.

>The name 'Mandaean' is said to come from the Aramaic manda meaning "knowledge", as does Greek gnosis
>According to most scholars, Mandaeaism originated sometime in the first three centuries AD, in either southwestern Mesopotamia or the Syro-Palestinian area.[6] However, some scholars take the view that Mandaeanism is older and dates from pre-Christian times.[7]
ok epic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeism

Also @Greg Noir I posted some stuff in <#587028275918929925> that may interest you

im happy that this went from atheists vs christians and some denomination debates to a satanist schizo posting