Message from @Lekka

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2020-03-18 03:03:53 UTC  

It's very unlikely, and well, considering Christians were Nero's enemies, he did well. He did what he had to do, destroy his enemies.

2020-03-18 03:06:31 UTC  

Not really

2020-03-18 03:07:33 UTC  

Hmm. No, I do not think Christians did it. I don't see a motive. They were already outcasts as is, easy targets, hence why Nero blamed them so easily.

2020-03-18 04:21:15 UTC  

I agree, Christians had no motive for starting the fire

2020-03-18 04:21:33 UTC  

That and Nero was a bit paranoid

2020-03-18 12:49:39 UTC  

They had a motive, and a very good one, but they just didn't.

2020-03-18 12:53:10 UTC  

the houses were build pretty closely together.
it got started by accident but spread really fast.

2020-03-18 13:46:21 UTC  

wasnt nero the only emperor to convert to judaism?

2020-03-18 13:47:07 UTC  
2020-03-18 21:41:16 UTC  

I normally dislike Catholics but I'll make an exception because this one is very polite

2020-03-18 21:41:22 UTC  

I have 5 questions for Eoppa

2020-03-18 21:44:12 UTC  

Question 1. Christ stated that the church cannot fail, and that the church is that body which is comprised by the offices passed down by the apostles. But it is also true that the church is that body which possesses the true interpretation of scripture. According to Catholic doctrine, is it a) impossible for the current church to misinterpret scripture or b) possible for the church to misinterpret scripture upon which point the offices will be taken up by people who have not been anointed by a predecessor but possess the true interpretation?

2020-03-18 21:47:30 UTC  

Question 2. It is Catholic doctrine that a person possessing an office of the church cannot spread false doctrine while acting in his office. When do we know whether or not he is acting in his office? Is it when he is influenced by God? How do we know when that is? Is it just when he is speaking the truth? How do we know what the truth is if not verified by the grace of his office?

2020-03-18 21:49:08 UTC  

Question 3. Are you aware of any historical claims made by the Eastern Orthodox Church to apostolic legitimacy? Are they false or unfalsifiable? Or does that church claim to be the true church simply by the truth of its doctrine?

2020-03-18 21:51:30 UTC  

Question 4. Suppose a place where the true church has not ever visited. Suppose also a genuine bible makes its way into that place. Suppose lastly that a person reads the bible and comes to the same interpretation of the scripture disseminated by the true church. This person does not have church authority, but if they acted according to the accidentally (or perhaps divinely) inspired true interpretation of the scripture, would they then be acting with church authority?

2020-03-18 21:51:49 UTC  

Question 4.5: Do you agree with Vatican II?

2020-03-18 21:53:52 UTC  

Question 5. The officials of the church in the medieval ages were meant to disseminate the truth of the scripture to the people who could not read the bible. But the masses were held in Latin. Is this a contradiction or were the priests also supposed to teach the scripture in vernacular alongside the mass? Bonus: If the conduction of the mass in Latin did not have to do with teaching the scripture to the masses, why, then did Vatican II demand that the mass be conducted in vernacular?

2020-03-18 21:54:39 UTC  

Bonus question: Orthodox architecture is superior to Catholic architecture. Sorry, this is not a question, this is a fact.

2020-03-18 21:54:46 UTC  

@Eoppa done

2020-03-18 22:55:04 UTC  

Who the hell takes a 1 hour walk

2020-03-18 22:56:26 UTC  

me

2020-03-18 22:57:45 UTC  

Just one? I tend to meander slowly so it takes me a few hours to get around.

2020-03-18 23:17:02 UTC  

Oh here he is

2020-03-18 23:17:07 UTC  

Hello God man

2020-03-18 23:28:40 UTC  

1) It is A) impossible for the church to misinterpret scripture, in regards to the universal magisterium
2) There is specific times and language use to know when ecumenical councils or ex Cathedra statements and such are made.
3) The Orthodox do hold Apostolic succession, the Anglicans would too if their Holy Orders were valid. Schism from the Holy See separates you from the church though.
4) Extra Ecclesium Nulla Sallus, there is no salvation outside the church. 4.5) And I won't speak on sedevacantism, I'm not sure.
5) This is a question I wouldn't be too sure on, but Latin was developed enough to hold the mass in, most vernaculars were not. Priests and such were educated on Catholic doctrine and kept a community in line in plenty of ways.

2020-03-18 23:28:49 UTC  
2020-03-18 23:33:35 UTC  

What is the universal magisterium?

Can the language which is used to signify such statements be abused, as in be used to disseminate false doctrine under church authority? Does its use automatically invoke some sort of divine power?

What provision is there in death for those humans who did not come into contact with the true church in their lifetime?

2020-03-18 23:33:40 UTC  
2020-03-18 23:36:18 UTC  

The universal magisterium is the infallible teachings of the church, as compared to the ordinary magisterium.

No, if a Pope acts ex Cathedra or such, he acts with the authority of the divine.

Some believe in Baptism of Desire, some like Aquinas believe a good ignorant person would be baptized by an angel if they truly deserved it.

2020-03-18 23:38:41 UTC  

What is the ordinary magisterium? Fallible teachings?

Logically a Pope or such would prepare his statements ahead of time. Does that mean that there is divine influence over him before his statement?

But is there official church doctrine regarding these people?

Extra: Does Dante's Divine Comedy have a theological basis? I am ignorant.

2020-03-18 23:39:39 UTC  
2020-03-18 23:45:38 UTC  

<:smug:591181720565579807> 🍿

2020-03-18 23:46:40 UTC  

m8 these are interesting questions

2020-03-18 23:54:05 UTC  

Yes, ordinary magisterium is fallible.

Possibly, exactly how the divine works through a person I don't think has been layed out exactly.

If you accept V2 then yes, it is possible for them to if they live a certain way. If you don't then they must go through the Aquinas way if they are to go to heaven.

Regarding Dante's inferno I know there are some spared from punishment and some receiving worse punishment, it has *some* authenticity, but certainly isn't canon.

2020-03-18 23:56:23 UTC  

Ordinary magisterium is fallible, that means that there are some offices within the church that do not have divine influence?

2020-03-18 23:56:34 UTC  

Or is ordinary magisterium related to something else?

2020-03-18 23:56:39 UTC  
2020-03-19 00:09:15 UTC  

@Eoppa Last question bruh

2020-03-19 00:57:47 UTC  

@Eoppa He ditched me

2020-03-19 00:58:05 UTC  

He's probably busy

2020-03-19 01:13:57 UTC  

@AncienMedecin well yes, and it could mean it simply comes from the teachings of a person who demands respect whether they act on the office or not.