Message from @vladi004

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2020-03-27 22:43:11 UTC  

so what's your point?

2020-03-27 22:43:14 UTC  

I wouldn't ever advocate for that.

2020-03-27 22:43:34 UTC  

My point is you also need to establish why I should always care about maximizing the benefit of my tribe.

2020-03-27 22:43:39 UTC  

but they don't harm other people's rights

2020-03-27 22:43:48 UTC  

you killing a child violates its

2020-03-27 22:43:57 UTC  

And why your outcome is a better measurement of maximizing it than mine.

2020-03-27 22:44:01 UTC  

are you an egoist/

2020-03-27 22:44:01 UTC  

Does it have rights?

2020-03-27 22:44:14 UTC  

Everyone is an egoist <:really:591181753625083905>

2020-03-27 22:44:20 UTC  

a fetus?

2020-03-27 22:44:21 UTC  

yes

2020-03-27 22:44:28 UTC  

How do you know that?

2020-03-27 22:44:33 UTC  

That rights even exist?

2020-03-27 22:44:43 UTC  

it is going to be 99.99% of the time a functioning human

2020-03-27 22:44:57 UTC  

One sec...brb

2020-03-27 22:45:34 UTC  

ok just want to say that if you don't care about the betterment of others then you are outside the structure

2020-03-27 22:45:56 UTC  

meaning you yourself lose your right if want you do violates someone elses

2020-03-27 22:46:00 UTC  

I care about the betterment of others

2020-03-27 22:46:02 UTC  

Sometimes

2020-03-27 22:46:12 UTC  

But not because I believe in this nebulous idea of rights.

2020-03-27 22:46:36 UTC  

so you don't care about your tribe?

2020-03-27 22:46:48 UTC  

Uh what do you mean by tribe?

2020-03-27 22:46:54 UTC  

My society? Race? Creed?

2020-03-27 22:47:00 UTC  

all

2020-03-27 22:47:13 UTC  

mostly family in the begining

2020-03-27 22:47:24 UTC  

then your greater group and the the nation

2020-03-27 22:47:31 UTC  

even all of humanity counts

2020-03-27 22:47:34 UTC  

though less

2020-03-27 22:47:51 UTC  

Ehhhh not really. Should I? I care about those who share my ideals I suppose.

2020-03-27 22:47:57 UTC  

there are greater rights for those within the family and less for those outside

2020-03-27 22:48:20 UTC  

How do you know this?

2020-03-27 22:48:33 UTC  

your husband and children have more rights then the Chinese communist to you but he still has soem

2020-03-27 22:48:36 UTC  

I still don't quite know what you mean by "right"

2020-03-27 22:48:48 UTC  

Are rights just whatever we agree to gurantee to people?

2020-03-27 22:49:40 UTC  

Rights are the recognition of what is necessary for a rational being to live in a society; it is a moral principle that defines and sanctions an individual's freedom of action in a societal context.

2020-03-27 22:50:08 UTC  

But a society can exist and thrive without rights.

2020-03-27 22:50:09 UTC  

the closest to you are are allowed more

2020-03-27 22:50:16 UTC  

no it can't

2020-03-27 22:50:21 UTC  

Not individuals will survive in that society, byt the society itself could.

2020-03-27 22:50:22 UTC  

it was proven with religion

2020-03-27 22:50:26 UTC  

and it's success