Message from @vladi004
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so what's your point?
I wouldn't ever advocate for that.
My point is you also need to establish why I should always care about maximizing the benefit of my tribe.
but they don't harm other people's rights
you killing a child violates its
And why your outcome is a better measurement of maximizing it than mine.
are you an egoist/
Does it have rights?
Everyone is an egoist <:really:591181753625083905>
a fetus?
yes
How do you know that?
That rights even exist?
it is going to be 99.99% of the time a functioning human
One sec...brb
ok just want to say that if you don't care about the betterment of others then you are outside the structure
meaning you yourself lose your right if want you do violates someone elses
I care about the betterment of others
Sometimes
But not because I believe in this nebulous idea of rights.
Uh what do you mean by tribe?
My society? Race? Creed?
all
mostly family in the begining
then your greater group and the the nation
even all of humanity counts
though less
Ehhhh not really. Should I? I care about those who share my ideals I suppose.
there are greater rights for those within the family and less for those outside
How do you know this?
your husband and children have more rights then the Chinese communist to you but he still has soem
I still don't quite know what you mean by "right"
Are rights just whatever we agree to gurantee to people?
Rights are the recognition of what is necessary for a rational being to live in a society; it is a moral principle that defines and sanctions an individual's freedom of action in a societal context.
But a society can exist and thrive without rights.
the closest to you are are allowed more
no it can't
Not individuals will survive in that society, byt the society itself could.
it was proven with religion
and it's success