It doesn't seem biolgoically hard wired.

If I as a human don't agree with these that is.

there is a set rights which make any society objectively better and they have been proven

No not objectively better

yes

Better by the metrics *you* care about

you are just subjective

I might not care about those metrics

no

Just because your perspective is different doesn't mean there isn't an objective answer to morality

murder is proven to be detrimental

Detrimental by your metrics, maybe not by mine, or by other possible metrics.

murder is bad and for 2000 years this is proven to be valid

all societies have fallen otherwise

By what metric?

by complete collapse and being conquered

Uh no that hasn't been demonstrated.

I haven't seen a society being successful without there being something against murder

Alternatively, I choose to value abortive freedom over those metrics.

yes it has

10000 years of history

The US by many metrics is one of the most prosperous societies in history.

yep

abortion isn't proven

but I claim it will be

it is detrimantal

Okay well...I guess we'll see 😅

I don't stop you

Is it?

Not by my metrics.

By my metrics abortion is GREAT

and doesn't matter for objective and societal norms

we will see though

Your metrics are not any more objective than mine.

yep

The choice to value them will always be subjective.

I just think abortion is a great exception which must be removed

what will happen and what is objective is too much for us

but I have mine position and I think of defending it

I agree, which is why I'm condused by your attempts to disguise your position as objectively correct when even you say objectivity is beyond us.

I have said why I think my position will be right