We discussed this, then you simply have to extend that to each attribute and you are back at Pure act

it's the difference between "everything falls into this category except these types of things" and saying "not everything falls into this category"

it's effectively the same thing

I am one of those who think that the universe creates itself

Why are you discussing if you aren't going to even acknowledge my words

and my english is really bad so i cant really discuss about that

right because at that point we can apply this quality of non-contingency to anything we want

like the universe itself

Dude, I'm done if you keep ignoring me

I feel that I've addressed each of your arguments.

You haven't, maybe you think you have, but I'll say something and you'll say some random other statement

Hm I don't think you've addressed all of my arguments either then.

Either you've understood nothing, or you are ignoring me

what are your positions?

you both

I'm going to sleep now, we'll discuss some other time.

Well right now we're discussing whether non-contingency as a property must exist.

alright buddy sweet dreams

@Spider Sutra and so we see why I won't waste my breathe on you.
Do yourself a favor, go back and read through Proverbs again. Everytime "fool" is mentioned, put your own name in it's place and I guarantee, the context won't change any. You're a self serving self righteous ignoramus, as Eoppa said, "peak atheism". Where the religious seek to convert, the irreligious seek to controvert. You argue for the sake of arguing and have nothing greater to offer. I respect the right to belief, but atheism is not a belief and fools like you give me no reason to respect your position.

Go on now, say something else smug.

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Something is missing, huh?

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@Spider Sutra
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I see your default smug "really" face and raise you a Pepe.

@closedanger nah.

🙂

Imam you say you won't waste your breath on me and yet you're in here shit talking me

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and here you're about to shit talk me more

but apparently this isn't a waste of breath

Yes. But rather than talking up one of my favorite topics, theology, I'm wasting time and battery life talking about one of your favorite topics, you.

I don't want to talk about me

I want to talk about theism

but you're unable to provide me any arguments

Your Theology sounds demanding from what I read

I mean the argument from you has boiled down to "pray and read scripture and you'll be religious ayy lmao"

As if you demand something from someone unable to be demanded

Scripture is a method of finding clarity

Disproving your Theory Is clarity

NO GOD would prevent you from learning your own

Way

Not petty or insecure.

@Spider Sutra no.