Message from @Maksim

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2020-03-30 20:34:13 UTC  

Reducing it for personal understanding isn't always bad

2020-03-30 20:37:19 UTC  

Duoay Rheims Version didn't attempt any complexity, it just went for a proper translation.

2020-03-30 20:37:47 UTC  

KJV perplexes me because it has language that wasn't even common nor necessary at the time

2020-03-30 20:38:08 UTC  

I think they were trying to make it more esoteric or royal sounding or such

2020-03-30 20:39:00 UTC  

If only I could speak Latin or such so I didn't have to concern myself with this

2020-03-30 20:40:09 UTC  

@Eoppa Hm, the issue is

2020-03-30 20:40:38 UTC  

One who understands the Bible in a very basic way knows, in the grand scheme of things, the same as someone who spent they're entire life studying it

2020-03-30 20:41:02 UTC  

Because 1 of infinity, and 1000 of infinity are still infinitely small

2020-03-30 20:41:24 UTC  

Then tell me why there are those who deny the divinity of Christ? You can easily interpret wrong.

2020-03-30 20:41:25 UTC  

The amount of information not known is exactly the same

2020-03-30 20:42:08 UTC  

I use gnt because I've read thru maybe 30 different translations

2020-03-30 20:42:13 UTC  

And gnt is the best balance for me

2020-03-30 20:42:18 UTC  

Between readability and complexity

2020-03-30 20:42:29 UTC  

If there is one that is better, please let me know

2020-03-30 20:42:31 UTC  

And yet we come to much different conclusions

2020-03-30 20:43:07 UTC  

That probably is a good translation, but not for a more in depth analysis

2020-03-30 20:43:22 UTC  

Oh I know, I don't use it for in depth analysis

2020-03-30 20:43:25 UTC  

But for just reading

2020-03-30 20:43:49 UTC  

For in-depth I personally opt for kjv just because I grew up with it

2020-03-30 20:44:15 UTC  

I'll sometimes use KJVA, I grew up with KJV too

2020-03-30 20:44:32 UTC  

My Bible study leader, he uses CEB for reading and your DR edition for studying

2020-03-30 20:45:43 UTC  

Why did kjv become so popular

2020-03-30 20:45:50 UTC  

It seems like it's the most commonly used

2020-03-30 20:45:59 UTC  

Or at least most widely known

2020-03-30 20:46:02 UTC  

it should be dhouay rheims

2020-03-30 20:50:02 UTC  

I haven't looked too far into it, but it probably has to do with the King wanting to get rid of the books the Catholic church recognized and such.

2020-03-30 20:50:41 UTC  

Catholic Church is true church

2020-03-30 20:50:42 UTC  

so

2020-03-30 21:00:30 UTC  

Yes

2020-03-30 21:19:39 UTC  

@Eoppa u here?

2020-03-30 22:07:44 UTC  

Now I am

2020-03-30 22:17:27 UTC  

@Eoppa since you are familiar with "purus actus" or the "argument from motion" can you explain to me how does it prove a god?

2020-03-30 22:17:38 UTC  

it proves there must be something

2020-03-30 22:17:46 UTC  

and it doesn't have to be god

2020-03-30 22:18:08 UTC  

the argument just labels it as god

2020-03-30 22:18:43 UTC  

why couldn't it have been something that was actual in the previous instance of time? because the argument implicitly assumes that things are not in causal relations through time only in a specific instance of time

2020-03-30 22:19:06 UTC  

It proves there must be an omnipotent/omniscient, perfect, non composed, one immutable being.

2020-03-30 22:19:20 UTC  

It doesn't assume things are not causal over time

2020-03-30 22:19:45 UTC  

Only that there are essential and accidental causation, they are two sides of the same coin

2020-03-30 22:21:21 UTC  

how does it prove omnipotent, omniscient, perfect and that it must be a being?

2020-03-30 22:22:47 UTC  

also isn't omnipotent a self contradicting attribute?