Message from @burgermeistermeisterburger

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2020-01-11 21:48:12 UTC  

British were defeated because George III ultimately conceded after parliament begged him to do so because it was putting a strain on the already tense economy.

2020-01-11 21:48:22 UTC  

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>”Do you know anything about war?”

2020-01-11 21:48:37 UTC  

washington himself wrote about how the colonial militias were incompetent and useless in a fight against the british

2020-01-11 21:48:38 UTC  

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2020-01-11 21:49:57 UTC  

Then the Hessian auxiliaries arrived, lol.

2020-01-11 21:50:52 UTC  

militiamen were only ever useful in support roles, and were more of a hindrance to the continental army than a boon

2020-01-11 21:51:25 UTC  

You’re wrong but I decline to comment further

2020-01-11 21:51:54 UTC  

if you're not going to back what you say up then don't say anything

2020-01-11 21:51:55 UTC  

lol

2020-01-11 21:52:44 UTC  

The style of warfare in the AWI made militias useful in certain capacities

2020-01-11 21:53:06 UTC  

The reason why they had a reputation for running is not the normal one you will hear

2020-01-11 21:53:12 UTC  

I mean both the organized British military and colonial army + militia had their fair share of victories and notable accomplishments.

2020-01-11 21:53:17 UTC  

Let me finish I can’t type fast enough

2020-01-11 21:53:19 UTC  

auxiliary roles and irregular campaigns

2020-01-11 21:53:35 UTC  

the war was, by and large, won by the continental army with foreign support

2020-01-11 21:53:39 UTC  

not militia

2020-01-11 21:53:47 UTC  

That’s not my point

2020-01-11 21:54:39 UTC  

You said only ever useful in support roles

2020-01-11 21:54:53 UTC  

The word ever is my point of contention

2020-01-11 21:55:08 UTC  

poor choice or words then

2020-01-11 21:55:49 UTC  

There were battles that were fought with the militia and continental army that were won by the milita, even against a larger opfor

2020-01-11 21:55:58 UTC  

I.E. battle of cow pens

2020-01-11 21:56:36 UTC  

Granted in the late war they certainly became more useful as front line screening, scouting, and delaying troops

2020-01-11 21:57:08 UTC  

But the loyalist militias performed similarly

2020-01-11 21:57:44 UTC  

i'm not too familiar with the loyalist militias

2020-01-11 21:57:56 UTC  

What I actually wanted to say was that the reason most militia members would give to running was not lack of training/ outdated equipment

2020-01-11 21:58:14 UTC  

It was almost solely due to a lack of bayonets

2020-01-11 21:58:36 UTC  

Loyalist support is often understated in American history. It was a considerable portion of the population in the 13 Colonies that supported the British administration, @T. Raven.

2020-01-11 21:58:48 UTC  

i think the majority of them lacked discipline which made them poor front line troops

2020-01-11 21:59:10 UTC  

It wasn’t so much discipline as common sense

2020-01-11 21:59:45 UTC  

They were not equipped to effectively fight the regulars, but they did perform well in certain battles

2020-01-11 22:00:58 UTC  

^^this, your bayonet was your bestfriend as a soldier

2020-01-11 22:01:02 UTC  

The lack of weapons capable of mounting a bayonet in possession of the milita was more of a cause

2020-01-11 22:01:44 UTC  

Because most battles at the time were fought/ ended with the use of a bayonet charge, and hand to hand fighting

2020-01-11 22:02:17 UTC  

Again the point of war at the time was not attrition, but to force the enemy to cede their land to you

2020-01-11 22:02:34 UTC  

i.e. force them to run away

2020-01-11 22:03:33 UTC  

If you had to fight a guy with a 5-6 foot long spear, and all you had was a knife or hatchet, then it would certainly make more sense for you to run, and potentially keep fighting

2020-01-11 22:04:10 UTC  

There were many cases where continental commanders saw it fit to order the militia to retreat

2020-01-11 22:11:44 UTC  

I’m just going to finish with the fact that the militia *did* effectively fight the regulars prior to the establishment of the continental army

2020-01-11 22:14:00 UTC  

That’s my incoherent rambling over

2020-01-11 22:14:48 UTC  

Yeah but we can talk about why bolt action rifles are the marksmen rifles of true Chads