Message from @Pseudo-Analysist

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2020-01-27 22:14:31 UTC  

The higher the position, the more administrative power the person who acquires the position has.

2020-01-27 22:14:34 UTC  
2020-01-27 22:14:45 UTC  

Do you want me to ping you actually?

2020-01-27 22:17:17 UTC  

yes, we can keep pinging. if I don't respond on time it's because I'm doing something else.

What happens when people vote for more centralized governmental institutions? @Koninos

2020-01-27 22:17:42 UTC  

when they vote to increase the limit

2020-01-27 22:17:54 UTC  

Then the limit is increased.

2020-01-27 22:18:06 UTC  

It's up to them how they want their state to be run.

2020-01-27 22:18:35 UTC  
2020-01-27 22:20:40 UTC  

so the Educational System will refer to the current power limit when explaining to students why there is a power limit, whatever the current limit happens to be

2020-01-27 22:20:53 UTC  
2020-01-27 22:21:34 UTC  

I take it this is a majority vote system

2020-01-27 22:21:38 UTC  

Yes, and explain the need of a limit etc.

2020-01-27 22:22:56 UTC  

Actually the educational system should promote this Modified Direct Democratic System as much as it can, but also as objectively as it can. People love power, as you said earlier, so it's kinda hard for them to vote for a more centralized government. It could happen if the state was in the verge of collapsing.

2020-01-27 22:23:02 UTC  
2020-01-27 22:28:10 UTC  

They can vote for the creation of more public institutions (thus more centralized power) by creating a +51% coalition. Instead of having official campaigns like in a republic it would be unofficial. This maybe harder to organize, then again the average person is more educated so it might cancel out the costs.
How are teachers decided on?

2020-01-27 22:31:03 UTC  

The teachers should be decided by the educational reformers, a body of these 50 wisest and most well-educated people of the country that I told you about earlier. Direct voting on teachers would be a disaster unless all people were excellently educated, which should be the primary goal of the educational system, but it's too hard.

2020-01-27 22:31:42 UTC  

However the educational reformers should have the right to call for an election if they cannot decide between 2 or more Professors.

2020-01-27 22:32:15 UTC  

It's a system that I haven't really well thought of and needs a lot of improvement though @Pseudo-Analysist

2020-01-27 22:34:33 UTC  

Since you say wisest, I assume these reformers aren't democratically elected? @Koninos

2020-01-27 22:35:50 UTC  

They are. They should be the 50 wisest and most well-educated and knowledgeable etc people in the sight of the country's population.

2020-01-27 22:36:21 UTC  

How is this decided upon?

2020-01-27 22:37:17 UTC  

Like a normal election. The candidates gather, present themselves, debates are organized and the elections happen. The 50 first are in the Educational Reforming Body.

2020-01-27 22:39:04 UTC  

So a +51% majority could appoint whoever they want?

2020-01-27 22:40:01 UTC  

Yes, but not exactly whoever they want.

2020-01-27 22:41:07 UTC  

There will be a body, elected from the people again, which sets the requirements that one needs to have in order to run for, say, the Educational Reforming Body. So the people can't elect a butcher for that Body's President.

2020-01-27 22:43:51 UTC  

So a +51% majority can appoint +25 smart people that would have their interests in mind.

2020-01-27 22:44:48 UTC  

Mhm, but take into account that the interests one can have on the educational sector are more or less limited.

2020-01-27 22:46:51 UTC  

manipulated the curricula is a very power weapon if you believe that education changes what people believe.
this is the reason why many right-wings in the US want to abolish the national education system

2020-01-27 22:49:20 UTC  

True, but as long as there are certain laws that guarantee certain values that the educational system must have (i.e. objectiveness), the educational system won't be corrupted.

2020-01-27 22:49:38 UTC  

Also public opinion is fluid, and it can change quickly. Elections should happen frequently.

2020-01-27 22:51:32 UTC  

who enforces these values?
I don't know how fluid opinions are. you may drift between niche positions, but switching broad political sides is rare.

2020-01-27 22:52:04 UTC  

The law, which is above all.

2020-01-27 22:52:38 UTC  

the law can stop me from committing a crime?

2020-01-27 22:53:01 UTC  

The law can veto a political Body's decision.

2020-01-27 22:53:22 UTC  

why do police officers exist?

2020-01-27 22:53:25 UTC  

The Educational Reforming Body cannot make the educational system subjective because that would be emergency elections.

2020-01-27 22:53:49 UTC  

There are crimes that police officers can control, and others that police officers can't control.

2020-01-27 22:54:10 UTC  

You won't call the police for an Impeachment, for example.

2020-01-27 22:55:38 UTC  

but the laws themselves can't control anything whatsoever.
if the President is fully impeached and he refuses to step down, men with guns will be called
who are the police officers of your educational standards?

2020-01-27 22:57:26 UTC  

Yeah I mean okay, of course and the Police, or even the army, will intervene if, say, the Educational Reforming Body refuses to step down. And they'll be all killed btw. But since it's unlikely to happen, you just summon the Body to court, to testify.

2020-01-27 22:57:47 UTC  

And there are no police officers dedicated to the educational sector.