Message from @Koninos
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1) You state several beliefs, quotes, etc regarding the moral topic, you get a good teacher to explain every possible view of the topic, and let the students, through debating and research, form an opinion. Knowing the facts isn't a way to reduce corruption, it's a way education can be objective, without being biased or promoting certain ideologies/beliefs/whatsoever, and a way through which students can form opinions.
3) You don't teach people not to be ambitious. You just reduce their ambitiousness by placing a roof over their heads, saying that's the highest they can ever reach. Should they reach the roof, they're not going higher. Should they attempt to go higher, they deal with the consequences. You also teach the student why that roof exists, and what can happen if the roof breaks. Moreover, as long as you can control emotions, the educational system could use several psychological (NOT psychiatrical) methods to let students master their emotions and become more reasonable.
What form of government are you actually advocating for? What is this roof?
On the emotional front, you aren't seeing what I'm getting at. I'm talking about moral emotions and how they effect people's political opinions. Being low in openness to experience and high in consciousness is a high predictor of conservativism. The inverse is a high predictor of progressivism. Being high in disgust sensitivity predicts authoritarianism and social conservatism. Low disgust sensitivity predicts social liberalism etc. No matter how many facts people know, they are always going to disagree because they are going to disagree on what should be done about the facts. @Koninos
Modified Direct Democracy, and the roof is the amount of power and position one can get in this Democratic system.
As for the people's emotions, they can be controlled and mastered through many ways, as I said. And by teaching discipline, the Democratic values and all, students can freely express their views, even if they're Authoritarian or conservative. One of the education's purpose should be to get students to understand why Democracy is important and vital for the population. And disagreeing with what should be done about the facts is a good thing, since the Educational System should promote debating between the students. But with placing that roof, the limit of power one can have, and in combination of mastering one's emotions and having discipline and many other important values, people's emotions place no threats to Democracy or the Educational System.
@Koninos how is power measured?
In the system I'm talking about, with the height of the position(s) one can have.
The higher the position, the more administrative power the person who acquires the position has.
Do you want me to ping you actually?
yes, we can keep pinging. if I don't respond on time it's because I'm doing something else.
What happens when people vote for more centralized governmental institutions? @Koninos
when they vote to increase the limit
Then the limit is increased.
It's up to them how they want their state to be run.
so the Educational System will refer to the current power limit when explaining to students why there is a power limit, whatever the current limit happens to be
I take it this is a majority vote system
Yes, and explain the need of a limit etc.
Actually the educational system should promote this Modified Direct Democratic System as much as it can, but also as objectively as it can. People love power, as you said earlier, so it's kinda hard for them to vote for a more centralized government. It could happen if the state was in the verge of collapsing.
They can vote for the creation of more public institutions (thus more centralized power) by creating a +51% coalition. Instead of having official campaigns like in a republic it would be unofficial. This maybe harder to organize, then again the average person is more educated so it might cancel out the costs.
How are teachers decided on?
The teachers should be decided by the educational reformers, a body of these 50 wisest and most well-educated people of the country that I told you about earlier. Direct voting on teachers would be a disaster unless all people were excellently educated, which should be the primary goal of the educational system, but it's too hard.
However the educational reformers should have the right to call for an election if they cannot decide between 2 or more Professors.
It's a system that I haven't really well thought of and needs a lot of improvement though @Pseudo-Analysist
Since you say wisest, I assume these reformers aren't democratically elected? @Koninos
They are. They should be the 50 wisest and most well-educated and knowledgeable etc people in the sight of the country's population.
How is this decided upon?
Like a normal election. The candidates gather, present themselves, debates are organized and the elections happen. The 50 first are in the Educational Reforming Body.
So a +51% majority could appoint whoever they want?
Yes, but not exactly whoever they want.
There will be a body, elected from the people again, which sets the requirements that one needs to have in order to run for, say, the Educational Reforming Body. So the people can't elect a butcher for that Body's President.
So a +51% majority can appoint +25 smart people that would have their interests in mind.
Mhm, but take into account that the interests one can have on the educational sector are more or less limited.
manipulated the curricula is a very power weapon if you believe that education changes what people believe.
this is the reason why many right-wings in the US want to abolish the national education system
True, but as long as there are certain laws that guarantee certain values that the educational system must have (i.e. objectiveness), the educational system won't be corrupted.
Also public opinion is fluid, and it can change quickly. Elections should happen frequently.
who enforces these values?
I don't know how fluid opinions are. you may drift between niche positions, but switching broad political sides is rare.
The law, which is above all.
the law can stop me from committing a crime?
The law can veto a political Body's decision.