Not seeing much in here

Just looks like you observed nature once and dictated it to be exactly what some higher being intended

1st law of thermodynamics

material cannot exist without god

so yea what about it?

Can you guys even debate about something without involving God in it? Inserting the existence of God to explain or justify the existence of some things is wrong.

baseless statement

you cannot debate anything without god

u need a moral basis

You don't need God to have a moral basis.

^

And even if you do, you can explain and justify the existence of things without involving God with it - you can just base your arguments on your moral basis.

@OrthoGoat I'm guessing you're also anti-vaxx?

oh no

Please tell me you're not an anti-vax.

Natural law theory is kinda funny, because it implies that God's will can be thwarted by a condom

im back

@Koninos if you have no moral authority then u say its subjective, which means your opinion is as valid as any other opinion on morals, leading to no moral bassis

@moira disingenious strawman

Moral Authorities are not always Gods.

It can be the state, it can be yourself, even.

Libertarian momen

lol

how is a subjective opinion more truthful than another

sure the state can impose morals on you

Because all opinions are subjective

but they have not moral authority

Brb class

class gang

@moira i bet you support ''what if the child consents tho'' laws

why were the men of history such heroes compared to us

War

just read a bit about the byzantine-persian wars

i've read about them before but was reminded again

it's crazy how brave soldiers and rulers were back then

and how ready they were to die for God and country

Yeah, War was profitable.

it's not just about profits

the politicians of that time weren't like they were today

Its about war lmao

this war in particular is interesting because byzantium was almost destroyed