Message from @moira

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2020-02-23 16:38:26 UTC  

eh, whatever.

2020-02-23 16:43:58 UTC  

Okay so segregation in a multi racial country being natural is bullshit

2020-02-23 16:49:28 UTC  

I never implied segregation, but, funnily enough, that is something common in Mexico.

2020-02-23 16:50:18 UTC  

At least according by P Monkkonen (2012).

2020-02-23 16:50:26 UTC  

I am interested, could you elaborate?

2020-02-23 16:51:27 UTC  

Technically racism protects cultural identities, it's just unbecoming when it's projected on others.

2020-02-23 16:52:12 UTC  

I can't speak for Mexico since they were a separate unit of the Spanish Empire from the start, and having the US as neighbor has to spice up things too

2020-02-23 16:53:54 UTC  

I find that hypothesis kind of bizarre since De Soto stayed in Illinois over a decade. Shouldn't Illinois be native and Spanish population?

2020-02-23 16:54:58 UTC  

what hypothesis?

2020-02-23 16:55:17 UTC  

About mexico

2020-02-23 16:55:38 UTC  

?

2020-02-23 16:55:53 UTC  

Sure. Acording to him, mostly, in urban areas in there have been a rise in the diacrimination and marginalization agaisn't other racial groups, mainly indians done by the general population. @moira

2020-02-23 16:56:03 UTC  

The conquistadors left Central and south America after pillaging it looking for the fabled El Dorado

2020-02-23 16:56:48 UTC  

He also, mentioned other studies, which I haven't read, containing that these marginalizatin is acutally increasing in countries like Argentina, Chile and Brazil.

2020-02-23 16:57:00 UTC  

Let me see if I can translate something rf.

2020-02-23 16:59:48 UTC  

@SavvyPun The thing is, after the new lands were discovered, the definitive draft of the territories was, North of Panama governed through Mexico, South governed through Lima

2020-02-23 17:00:16 UTC  

Of course, the La Plata and New Granada viceroyalties eventually split from the Peru one

2020-02-23 17:00:24 UTC  

@Lettow could be

2020-02-23 17:00:30 UTC  

They were mostly abandoned in the search for El Dorado

2020-02-23 17:00:43 UTC  

This isn't phenotype based, though, is it

2020-02-23 17:01:26 UTC  

A person with native parents can be a mestizo if it adopts mainstream mexican culture

2020-02-23 17:01:41 UTC  

I'd need dna evidence. Fact is the conquistadors murdered millions upon millions for petty treasures.

2020-02-23 17:05:24 UTC  

I'm part native and even then most natives won't talk to me. There's just not many of them left.

2020-02-23 17:10:26 UTC  

Also most of those conquests was funded by religious institutions that murdered the Templars and stole the banks. Government is literally a religious puppet. It says so on most currencies.

2020-02-23 17:13:28 UTC  

After all the murdering was done they built tons of colonies and collapsed European communities to force migration to a "promised" land. Shortly after the term slave was identified as civilian or being civilized. The rest savages. But what do I know.

2020-02-23 17:32:12 UTC  

@SavvyPun How does Racism protect cultural identities? How does prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior does such thing?

2020-02-23 17:33:23 UTC  

It forces cultural identities to defend where they come from.

2020-02-23 17:34:19 UTC  

Forming social cultural bonds among any given race being slandered.

2020-02-23 17:34:28 UTC  

It's true that most cultures originate from a group of people that come from the same race, but racism doesn't protect the identity of the culture. Couldn't a person of a different race assimilate into that culture without hurting its identity?

2020-02-23 17:34:54 UTC  

Many black people are Christian and have assimilated into the Christian culture, without hurting its identity, for example.

2020-02-23 17:35:56 UTC  

Let's take USA for instance. The Africans don't even defend African culture. Through the period of persecution a new cultural identity was found and now they protect that.

2020-02-23 17:36:53 UTC  

I mean the whites forced their own culture onto them, and I'm pretty sure they were racist.

2020-02-23 17:37:24 UTC  

Things are steering every direction with culture of course. But the universe does the same.

2020-02-23 17:38:03 UTC  

My point is that a culture can be made up of people from different races. Therefore racism won't protect its cultural identity.

2020-02-23 17:38:28 UTC  

Well yes and no. It's always complicated because there is a positive and negative in every thing.

2020-02-23 17:39:11 UTC  

True, but I believe that the positives outnumber the negatives in this case.

2020-02-23 17:39:32 UTC  

I disagree and so does physics

2020-02-23 17:39:58 UTC  

The Americas have done this and the outcomes are pre visible. The ones that didnt mix their societies are doing the best while places like mexico which had native and colonist nationalism (as one) are shitholes

2020-02-23 17:42:08 UTC  

The America's did nothing but defend their land. The European communities did it all.

2020-02-23 17:42:27 UTC  

I don't get how Physics is involved into a cultural matter.

@OrthoGoat As I said, when the Europeans brought black slaves from Africa to the Americas, they forced them to assimilate into their cultures and religion. And they were pretty racist. Therefore it's not racism which protects a cultural identity.

2020-02-23 17:43:06 UTC  

firstly that was jews lol. Secondly what do you mean by racism?