Message from @AncienMedecin
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Well my situation is if your will now will put yourself in a full body cast, and someone preserves you...
So now you appeal to lack of perfect information
Which would apply to all times
The state will prevent unfair practices for example because if you had perfection, you would do no wrong.
But you are always subject to short sighted desire
i right now wouldn't want to be in a full body cast. my want = not be in a full body cast. others helping me from that means i will *not be in a full body cast*. i also don't know why we're talking about unfair practices or doing wrong. i don't believe that doing wrong is inherently possible (assuming we're talking about morally wrong actions.) "fairness" isn't always my concern.
> But you are always subject to short sighted desire
i'm not really sure what you mean by this. if i want at one moment to be healthier because i believe that it will improve my life (which is something i'd like to do when i can) then i will do it.
i wouldn't consider that a short term desire
@𝖃𝖆𝖛𝖎𝖊𝖗 except in a certain state of mind you *may* wish to be in one. People have, and you may too.
By unfair practices, I mean ones that involve an action where one party doesn't have the entire knowledge of the situation.
Such as "no you cannot sell beer with cyanide in it without putting it on the label"
Or making the purchase of heroin illicit and such
You make no viable distinction between a drunken state and a state of ignorance or nescience
This is an interesting read
sorry, i needed to do something and i have some of a head cold so i've been pretty tired today, but yeah
regarding these unfair practices, i'm all for a community or a voluntary gathering of people, all their through their own decisions and not coerced into going or being a part, deciding on rules that they feel are appropriate for the people in that community. For example, if a community want's to reduce the number of cyanide poisoning by deciding that within their community that people should label what the contents of their goods are then that's their decision.
in terms of distinctions between drunken states and states of ignorance, i think it's easy to see that drinking is (usually) a voluntary action and that those who drinks with them probably know who that person is and understand that he's not at his wits, that if he weren't drunk he would choose to do other than what his intoxicated self would. Ignorance, on the other hand, isn't voluntary and you generally aren't at fault for being ignorant. If, however, you had many opportunities to learn about something and then you make a mistake relating to that situation and you chose not to learn about it, then it can be that persons fault; although with this in real life it's much more complicated and there could be factors such as you not having the time to remove your ignorance, though you could see that as not having the opportunity to learn.
i think it's reasonable to have certain desires and things you want to do despite being ignorant in some things unless it deals with harming others for no reason, which i don't personally like or think is actually a practical way of living one's life. perhaps i should have mentioned this earlier, is that you always have to be practical when talking about freedom or trying to reduce what restricts your will, as living in a world where people are able to murder and steal all the time wouldn't be in my interest as i want some form of security. i believe that is achievable...
through voluntary organization
and not through an authoritative body that shouldn't be questioned or has any chance of dissolvement by those that this body governs
juche is a voluntaryist idea
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Shills for China should be shot on sight. Just sayin'
Wouldn't be too surprised if online ortho circles are full of them
@𝖃𝖆𝖛𝖎𝖊𝖗 ```I'm all for a community... through their own decisions...```
The point is laymen wouldn't have the knowledge to stop most examples of what I speak of, even you. And you should be able to wield the authority of the state to stop this. It's *not possible* voluntarily, that's my point, we can't assume perfect consumer choice theory, it's wrong.
```in terms of...```
My point is deeper than trying to claim ignorance and drunkenness are same in effects. I'm saying that the reasons you would support coercion in the case of drunkenness cannot be excluded from ignorance, because "If he weren't [lack of ability for perfect choice] then he wouldn't have done [imperfect action]"
Step one
Next they'll bring in blue helmets
And start confiscating firearms "to prevent looting"
Like they did after Katrina
Blue helmets are like the devils army
blue hats do jackshit
it's almost hilarious
thing is that they aren't allowed to interfere
Yall think trump got Corona?
He sounds sick lately
Some people said that in last night's address it sounded like he was holding back a cough
But I think that if he was really sick, it would be obvious
Netherlands is keeping everything open.
Honestly I don't care anymore.
Why close anything in the Netherlands?
Don't the Dutch already avoid each other