that's not how burden of proof works buddy

if u assert x, the burden is on you to justify X, not on me to disprove x

lmao you havent backed me into a corner, i just saw that this isnt going anywhere, and i remembered that debating definitions is useless, thus im trying to stop the conversation

This is a wall of shit

ive provided my reasoning for my assertion, organicism is inherent in Gentile's doctrine, a key part of this doctrine is that it rejects humanistic materialism in favour of hierarchy and Organicism and spiritualism. you are correct on one thing, fascism will vary depending on the movement/nation. Codreanu advocated for the church to be the centre of the nation. however this does not change its **inherent ontology**

The Iron Guard were Reactionary

Italian Fascism was Revolutionary

National Socialism was a bit paradoxically but was ultimately Revolutionary

Alright since you dont know what "im trying to stop the conversation" means, here let me put it this way, shut the fuck up already

ofvo's guide on debating

1. provide argument
2. if person refutes this argument provide no meaningful rebuttal with reference to theory and instead say "different variants bro"
3. when person realises that you cant even define the thing you are talking about, and asks for your definition, simply say "no"
4. disguise this as you just not wanting to engage
5. tell person to provide proof of their assertion
6. when person presents a well reasoned argument, tell them to "shut the fuck up"

The key factors from any type of Third Position notice I’m not saying Fascism. Is core values, Idealism, Romanticism fused with Futurism to a degree, Vanguardism with Populism, Pragmatic Conservatism in the social cultural sphere, along with Corporate economics ie Guilds, state unions, bureaus or syndicates running the economy. Obviously some policy will be different. Maoism wast the same as Russian Marxist Leninism lol

Embracing technology ie modernity

Fuck the past

no one is saying all fascist movements are the same, while they arise differently and advocate for different policies to a degree their inherent ontology remains the same. Maoism and Marxism-Leninism still had the same fundamental philosophies (dialectical materialism, economic determinism etc)

@Sentient23 change your picture to a smooth brain

Lmao that's so disingenuopus eno and you fucking know it

@Eno the guy I just tagged did

You can check <#587029563863990282> where I've debated people before, and in <#587028275918929925> a few times as well. I stay away from semantic debates. That simple

If you wanna debate on something meaningful that doesn't orient around debating definitions, tag me

@Sentient23 you told me i had the burden of proof, i provided an argument for my assertion. you clearly have nothing to argue against it so you are backing out

again, my advice is to not engage in these debates in the first place if you havent read the necessary theory

Oh you provided an argument? Please quote yourself where you substantiated your "educated assumption"

So many assumptions AGAIN

my assumption was based on you not recognising that fascism is an ontology

Please provide an argument as to why i haven't read theory

because you think organicism isnt inherent in fascism

so you obviously havent read Gentile

or any fascist theorist for that matter

Cool, again, I refuse to debate semantics

> semantics

what??

thats not semantics lmao

You can tag another nerd willing to engage you in definitions if you'd like

thats a key part of its theory

Yes thats fucking semantics, the definition of the theory and what it contains

What do you think semantics even is?

Stop summarizing my position in a disingenuous way as if i always leave debates when the sperg I'm talking to think they've won, when that's not the case as you can check in <#587029563863990282> and <#587028275918929925> and on other servers. I simply stay away from semantics debates, as I've learned those types of debates always go nowhere, are useless and are a waste of time

Hegelian ontology is based on dualism due to an eastern influence. Giovanni Gentle the philosopher of Italian Fascism was an acolyte of Hegel. Hegels views argued because of collective consciousness creating the State it became a living being aka God thus functions like an Organism meaning all economic, social and philosophical doctrines must be regimented under an organic system to create synthesis meaning applying the dialectic to the state.

@Sentient23

k

@Zoltanous >thinking this guy knows who hegel is

Haha very fun haha i say he no know philosophy haha

You're hilarious eno