it goes against human nature to work towards the common good

every socialist society always eventually turned into a brutal dictatorship

I have yet to see one succeed

socialism depends on the industrial base built by capitalism to succeed, most socialist states you are talking about originated from relatively agrarian societies, that's why it has failed. @LadyAquanine

people like to tout Scandinavia as a socialist paradise, but in fact, they mostly gave it up decades ago

trying it in industrialized nations hasn't been any more successful in Europe

none, because capitalism will eventually transition to socialism

this is seen by historical contexts

many of the countries that practices Democratic Socialism (a contradiction in terms, really) ends up with shitty healthcare, they are in debt with everyone, and many people move out as a result

America is never gonna become socialist

nobody will let it

case closed

@LadyAquanine the nordic countries are social democratic, not democratic socialist

debt dosent exist under socialism either

is there a difference?

obviously

neither does prosperity

social democracy is just a tool to lull the working class to sleep, it does not solve the problem with capitalism

if you look at the wealth of those nations, they're poorer than some of our worst welfare states

I have always found it fascinating that the biggest supporters for socialism, don't actually live in socialist countries

in fact, they live in America and enjoy all our freedoms and stuff

comparing wealth in capitalist economies to socialist economies is nitpicking. These nations weren't even industralized.

and you wonder why?

no money

yes because as I said socialism depends on the transition

@LadyAquanine so the Soviet Union, agrarian at its start due to the tsars not developing the country?

money dosent exist under a socialist system

in all terms, the form of currency is labour vouchers, not money

that was only due to the leaders pushing to try and compete with other nations, but if you look into their industries, they did not consider safety, and used sub-standard materials and building techniques

hence why Soviet-era military equipment is a laughingstock to this day

@LadyAquanine yes, due to stalinist policies and their determination not to get left behind by the west, I don't support stalinism or Marxism-leninism

good

@LadyAquanine the USA was industrialized at the beginning of the Great War, the Russian empire was agrarian

comparing developing economies to developed economies isn't really an arguement tbh

pardon me, but where are you from?

singapore

oh, that explains it

?

Singapore has a unique way of governing compared to a lot of nations

yes we do

we don't allow corporations to intrude in the government