@FliegerAce I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than you!

@Trapper he seems to be a retard

I don't think he's a leftist, he seems more like a sjw liberal

is there a difference?

obviously

socialists don't support globalism and neoliberal organisations

so we've been getting mixed signals here?

these very same liberals support globalism, which is international capitalism

and yet some of them keep trying to sell the poison known as socialism (which has never worked, btw)

liberals don't advocate for socialism

it's either one or another

Antifa and SJWs are paid by globalists to further their agenda

and socialism has never worked? due to irregular and wrong transitional periods as well as materialist circumstances

seriously, it doesn't work

it goes against human nature to work towards the common good

every socialist society always eventually turned into a brutal dictatorship

I have yet to see one succeed

socialism depends on the industrial base built by capitalism to succeed, most socialist states you are talking about originated from relatively agrarian societies, that's why it has failed. @LadyAquanine

people like to tout Scandinavia as a socialist paradise, but in fact, they mostly gave it up decades ago

trying it in industrialized nations hasn't been any more successful in Europe

none, because capitalism will eventually transition to socialism

this is seen by historical contexts

many of the countries that practices Democratic Socialism (a contradiction in terms, really) ends up with shitty healthcare, they are in debt with everyone, and many people move out as a result

America is never gonna become socialist

nobody will let it

case closed

@LadyAquanine the nordic countries are social democratic, not democratic socialist

debt dosent exist under socialism either

is there a difference?

obviously

neither does prosperity

social democracy is just a tool to lull the working class to sleep, it does not solve the problem with capitalism

if you look at the wealth of those nations, they're poorer than some of our worst welfare states

I have always found it fascinating that the biggest supporters for socialism, don't actually live in socialist countries

in fact, they live in America and enjoy all our freedoms and stuff

comparing wealth in capitalist economies to socialist economies is nitpicking. These nations weren't even industralized.

and you wonder why?

no money

yes because as I said socialism depends on the transition

@LadyAquanine so the Soviet Union, agrarian at its start due to the tsars not developing the country?

money dosent exist under a socialist system