if you look at the wealth of those nations, they're poorer than some of our worst welfare states

I have always found it fascinating that the biggest supporters for socialism, don't actually live in socialist countries

in fact, they live in America and enjoy all our freedoms and stuff

comparing wealth in capitalist economies to socialist economies is nitpicking. These nations weren't even industralized.

and you wonder why?

no money

yes because as I said socialism depends on the transition

@LadyAquanine so the Soviet Union, agrarian at its start due to the tsars not developing the country?

money dosent exist under a socialist system

in all terms, the form of currency is labour vouchers, not money

that was only due to the leaders pushing to try and compete with other nations, but if you look into their industries, they did not consider safety, and used sub-standard materials and building techniques

hence why Soviet-era military equipment is a laughingstock to this day

@LadyAquanine yes, due to stalinist policies and their determination not to get left behind by the west, I don't support stalinism or Marxism-leninism

good

@LadyAquanine the USA was industrialized at the beginning of the Great War, the Russian empire was agrarian

comparing developing economies to developed economies isn't really an arguement tbh

pardon me, but where are you from?

singapore

oh, that explains it

?

Singapore has a unique way of governing compared to a lot of nations

yes we do

we don't allow corporations to intrude in the government

the poor are taken care off

nobody is homeless

like you can't have a certain # of kids, or there are very strict regulations regarding agriculture

agriculture is basically just roof gardens and vertical farming in singapore

we don't have enough land

they say farming of the future will look like that

it sure is

the Netherlands are experimenting with vertical farming right now

it's true, corporations should really get their noses out of the govt.

yea, I think capitalism is good and all, but there are flaws in it. Historical examples prove our transition to socialism is inevitable

whether it takes hundreds or thousands of years

I never said it was perfect, it's just the only system that sort of works

we already tried the feudal system

monarchies

it's the only system which works until we begin to transition to socialism

just remember something, not all prices are paid with money

what sort of price did people in Singapore pay to have no more homeless on the streets?

@LadyAquanine history was like this. Feudalism to laissez faire capitalism, laissez faire capitalism to mixed economies currently, mixed economies to ________?