i'm not sure what to believe coming from any of you kids anymore, seems to me i'm constantly lied to, raked over the coals and made to believe something your all not. i want no part of the destruction of any kind. society believe by killing me will be their salvation. ~NOT~ society kills me off again, society will face forever with No technology, No heat, No hydro, Nothing to keep themselves warm at night, Nothing to keep their minds off the terror they've shown me, my life, my dream, my everything was to come here to see who wants to come home and who just wants to play pathetic games. as far as i can tell thus far, every last one of the human/humanoid/alien species upon earth and beyond want nothing to live with, walk the planets they've destroyed by greed alone. no more vehicles to rumble across existence. every last species that have found it in their cold dark hearts to completely fuck my life over have Nothing to back themselves up with and No one to stand before the planets rage and the hatred every last species constantly show me. I have EVERY RIGHT TO BE PISSED THE FUCK OFF NOW. GREED DESTROYS LIFE

**MADE BY ANPRIM GANG**

@Deleted User In all fairness, Jim's been pushing it for years now and he should've sat his ass down when told. He's a guest at the white house, other reporters want their questions answered and Jim's just trying to hog it all. When you ask a question at the white house conference, you ask the question for his intake don't start debating the president. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQHNztGOXGg . This "journalist" is a joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4qGtEiEh4A

If your a foreigner dont tell us you have oil

We will stage a gas attack in your nation.

**Mexico hits oil**

**Next day they gas 4.5 million Mexicans**

**USA invades to overthrow the evil regime in Mexico but secretly take all resources**

you know Mexico has substantial oil reserves right

I think you mean

***had***

***invades Mexico***

I mean

We did

Like

The beginning of the 20th century

Occupation of veracruz

Marxism is a violent ideology just like Nazism, CHANGE MY MIND.

@hatmam12345 is that bait or do you actually want to learn stuff

@wahx No I actually want to learn stuff.

not right now

im busy

What about the frogs?

All ideologies are violent. Violence or the threat thereof is the root of any authority or maintenance of a lack of authority if you want to say “b-but anarchism!”

@hatmam12345 actually no, Marxism isn't violent

I'm willing to challenge you on that, even though I'm not really a marxist

I'm not a marxist either it just seems ridiculous to say that marxism, the ideology of capitalist states entering negotiations between capitalists and workers to voluntarily enter into a socialist state would be violent.

Has marxism lead to ideologies that have become violent? Absolutely

Is marxism violent? good grief no, it's a theory about how capitalist states will become socialist with time.

Peacefully, I should add.

I think to ask "has _X_ philosophy lead to ideologies that have become violent?" could apply to just about anything

Nazism, on the other hand, by most definitions has anti-semitism and racism as core constructs, which are inherently violent.

Yeah exactly, it's a dumb argument.

Marx, though, did explicitly call for the armed overthrow of capitalism. In an address to the Communist League in 1850 he said that "under no pretext" should the working class surrender their arms to the bourgeoisie.

Despite that, violence is not an aspect of marxist theory, despite marx calling for violence. I guess I'm saying his words in specific context are not the same as his principled writings.

and we don't define "marxism" as "anything Marx said"

Why not? An address he gives to an ideological club on his political analysis is just as valid as anything he wrote down in a book or pamphlet.

That would be like saying a speech a politician gives isn't indicative of their beliefs.

It could be, but it could also be that he was addressing a specific time and event, in which violence was necessary. That's unrelated to the broader aspects of Marxism.

Sure, but politician's beliefs range on many topics. I'm saying "Marxism" is about the transition from capitalism to socialism, and does not specify violence. It may be, or it may not be, depending on the situation.

He is talking about specific events, the revolutions of 1848, but is doing so speaking to the broader need for the left to be armed: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm