I need to read 200 years...

lol.. dumb book.
doesnt even know about the fucking holodomor.. offer him something, he calls it dumb..

thats dumb

I do know about it

here is grain confiscation during the russian civil war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrazvyorstka

issues reading?

>wikipedia

Fuck off

>nothing

😉

here is where they introduced forced quotas and shit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_grain_procurement_crisis_of_1928

in 1928

A document ordering to increase food production in an area that voluntarily promised extra but did not even reach the original quota.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412023650913484810/unknown.png

A document showing the quota was lowered when it could not be reached on the condition that the new lower quota was mandatory
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412023869289791489/unknown.png

A document showing that the information the CC had was not lining up with the claims being made that were reasons to reduce quotas
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412024258538110977/unknown.png

A document from a regional committee showing that grain was stored in unfavourable conditions
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412024582166282251/unknown.png
full sized document
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/411984716430835715/411988635941076993/unknown.png

A document showing there was insufficient grain production, and the CC sent representatives to check the situation as a result. Also shows that requests to lower quotas were denied (probably due to already low output of grain)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412024770167832577/unknown.png

A document showing regions had failed to implement decisions of the CC, and that there was a question of replacing leadership in these areas in order to increase grain production
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412025046119219201/unknown.png
full sized document
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/411984716430835715/411990034275893262/unknown.png

A document showing the CC lightened up quotas again but wanted to recieving 100% of the set amount, or they would need to take harsh action
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398889591043653632/412025163778097153/unknown.png


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what is wrong with wikipedia

Try using it in any academic report

anyone can enter shit

they have sources there you know

yeah but people arent willing to click

i know this

you can find it on other stuff too

Shitsources as well

see if its on milestones

so you refuse to believe that the holodomir was the result of failed soviet policy

you even said the USSR wasnt socialist or whatever

do you support them or not

has there ever been a famine like the Holodomor in the US?

This is the response of  Anna Louise Strong, an American journalist famous for reporting on the Soviet Union, to a question about the supposed genocide.

QUESTION: "Is it true that during 1932-33 several million people were allowed to starve to death in the Ukraine and North Caucasus because they were politically hostile to the Soviets?"

ANSWER: "Not true. I visited several places in those regions during that period. There was a serious grain shortage in the 1932 harvest due chiefly to inefficiencies of the organizational period of the new large-scale mechanized farming among peasants unaccustomed to machines. To this was added sabotage by dispossessed kulaks, the leaving of the farms by 11 million workers who went to new industries, the cumulative effect of the world crisis in depressing the value of Soviet farm exports, and a drought in five basic grain regions in 1931.

The harvest of 1932 was better than that of 1931 but was not all gathered; on account of overoptimistic promises from rural districts, Moscow discovered the actual situation only in December when a considerable amount of grain was under snow."

Strong, Anna Louise. Searching Out the Soviets. New Republic: August 7, 1935, p. 356

Here is Strong again on the harvest of 1933.

"The conquest of bread was achieved that summer, a victory snatched from a great disaster. The 1933 harvest surpassed that of 1930, which till then had held the record. This time, the new record was made not by a burst of half-organized enthusiasm, but by growing efficiency and permanent organization … This nationwide cooperation beat the 1934 drought, securing a total crop for the USSR equal to the all-time high of 1933."

Strong, Anna Louise. The Stalin Era. New York: Mainstream, 1956, p. 44-45

so did the holodomor happen or not according to you?

It did

Obviously

But the perpetrator was obviously not Stalin

lemme guess it was the kulaks

As can be seen with the source above

lol

IIRC, Anna Louise Strong is hardly unbiased

Also, quit trying to strawman

what strawman is there cmon?

"lemme guess it was the kulaks"

do you think it was or wasnt?