Message from @Leo (BillNyeLand)

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2019-01-16 19:10:24 UTC  

there was no "progression"

2019-01-16 19:10:30 UTC  

I highlighted it for you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441728840025374731/535174022590234634/image0.png

2019-01-16 19:11:03 UTC  

Yeah she outlines a progressive system after that

2019-01-16 19:11:04 UTC  

Not all $10M is taxed at 70%, which is what separates a marginal rate from an effective rate

2019-01-16 19:11:07 UTC  

Yes

2019-01-16 19:11:07 UTC  

which is not the case

2019-01-16 19:11:12 UTC  

A progressive marginal rate

2019-01-16 19:11:14 UTC  

because there is no progression

2019-01-16 19:11:17 UTC  

There is

2019-01-16 19:11:23 UTC  

she doesn't understand the effective tax rate

2019-01-16 19:11:49 UTC  

Even if you only pay 40% effective rate on a 70% marginal rate, that’s still more than the 15% effective or marginal people at the bottom pay

2019-01-16 19:12:05 UTC  

We don't know the effective of rich people now

2019-01-16 19:12:18 UTC  

most likely more of their money is taxed so the effective rate is closer to the marginal rate

2019-01-16 19:12:19 UTC  

Here’s a graph

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441728840025374731/535174483036733466/image0.png

2019-01-16 19:12:36 UTC  

marginal?

2019-01-16 19:12:39 UTC  

Top marginal rate of 39.6% in 2010

2019-01-16 19:12:51 UTC  

That’s an effective graph

2019-01-16 19:12:55 UTC  

*Effective rate graph

2019-01-16 19:13:06 UTC  

Seems close

2019-01-16 19:13:08 UTC  

yeah thats my point

2019-01-16 19:13:08 UTC  

35% top marginal rate in the 2000s

2019-01-16 19:13:16 UTC  

Look at the 80s when the top was 28%

2019-01-16 19:13:19 UTC  

That’s 15pp below

2019-01-16 19:13:30 UTC  

but it's not 50%

2019-01-16 19:13:49 UTC  

in the 80s when it was 28%, the marginal rate was close to the effective

2019-01-16 19:14:03 UTC  

It seems to be the same for lower taxes

2019-01-16 19:14:12 UTC  

The top marginal rate was 70% until early 80s then 50% until mid 80s, I believe

2019-01-16 19:14:21 UTC  

So if anything raising tax rates now would *decrease* revenue as the highest rate is 37% now

2019-01-16 19:14:24 UTC  

it was 29%

2019-01-16 19:14:26 UTC  

28%

2019-01-16 19:14:38 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441728840025374731/535175062672637954/image0.png

2019-01-16 19:14:53 UTC  

yeah 28

2019-01-16 19:14:59 UTC  

Was only below 30% top marginal for a few years in the end of Reagan’s term

2019-01-16 19:15:07 UTC  

these are in very grouped numbers

2019-01-16 19:15:23 UTC  

Yes, infrequent data points

2019-01-16 19:15:50 UTC  

yeah Pretty sure thats wrong

2019-01-16 19:15:55 UTC  

Why

2019-01-16 19:16:00 UTC  

Pretty sure around 86 it was 28%

2019-01-16 19:16:01 UTC  

or 85

2019-01-16 19:16:34 UTC  

but if anything raising tax rates now would *decrease* revenue as the highest rate is 37% now, with a 70% that would probably go below 37%

2019-01-16 19:17:10 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/441728840025374731/535175703226875924/image0.png