You will end up with very stubborn debaters on both ends of the spectrum...which is exactly how we got here

here being the modern political climate

well I see the point

Problem with the modern climate is we have those that believe what their told by a mob, and those that believe in the truth and what they can find out themselves. They both see themselves are right and the other wrong, trick is understanding by winning

But you know both sides think that right? How do you not see that that behavior is mirrored by democrats and republicans, and is harmful?

Winning is inconsequential

winning is inconsequential if its traded

traded for what?

for a win on the other side

recently with the #walkaway people have been leaving the democratic party and spreading the word from endless right winged wins

its like warfare

you can't win by killing a soldier, you win by breaking an army

I guess, I don't see that as compelling evidence for what we're talking about. the #walkaway thing feels incredibly viral and unrelated to how many republican and democratic voters there actually are. There's also tons of reports that democratic voter registration is surging, does that count as winning? Why would that count as winning if the goal is a better america? We should identify goals for our country to move towards, and moving towards those goals should be "winning," not cucking the libs or whatever

I guess I'm just thrown off by the phrase winning. Feels incredibly juvenile, like politics are just sports that don't actually impact peoples lives.

well winning for one side would be a subjectively better america though may have its own problems, winning on the other side is subjectively better for america and may have its own problems

what problems do you want it the question

truueee can we talk about that? That's much more interesting to me

That is what I consider winning, not having the problems and systems I would rather not have

For sure I feel that, I just detest the use of the word win if that makes sense, feels so childish

but like what do you guys think are big problems of our time?

the Democratic Party

lol

let's be more specific maybe?

large goverment

higher taxes

open borders

sanctuary cities, don't forget about that

that is a large proponent of open borders yes

open borders also relating to terror

Ok but I even see these as being secondary to more core issues. Why are those issues important?

sjw commie libtards lmao

you rang

because at least for us

we believe these things make a country less free and more likely to be under tyranny in some form

I'm English

for example

Cornwall, largely separate from Englands problems

but England has a very large government and bureaucracy that makes fixing problems such as open ish borders a major problem

You know @wahx , you brought up the point "moving towards those goals should be 'winning', not cucking the libs". Unfortunately there's a tremendous bias from libs to whatever trump does (which are wins)

and you know the only way we can get these things done due to the libs being so stubborn

as well as the thinking of a more diverse culture is a better culture, which to a degree may be better