Message from @wahx

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2018-10-11 20:10:37 UTC  

By denying whites that is technically prejudice

2018-10-11 20:10:45 UTC  

yes, you're right

2018-10-11 20:10:57 UTC  

but the power imbalance is not in that direction

2018-10-11 20:10:59 UTC  

Does this mean you are okay with racial prejudice?

2018-10-11 20:11:08 UTC  

Depends, again, on the power imbalance

2018-10-11 20:11:12 UTC  

that's what I keep saying

2018-10-11 20:11:31 UTC  

Can blacks be racist towards whites?

2018-10-11 20:11:48 UTC  

again, depends on the definition of racism

2018-10-11 20:11:54 UTC  

and the situation

2018-10-11 20:12:16 UTC  

black people trying to get the same opportunities as whites by getting some extra help is far from being racist towards whites

2018-10-11 20:12:39 UTC  

because of...again...the power imbalance that has endured centuries in america

2018-10-11 20:12:40 UTC  

I think anyone who shows they could really succeed in college should be admitted, and if someone who shows they will succeed is not admitted, that's sorta wrong. But, I think the ones being weighed in the issue of race are the ones mostly who show they "may." The lower end of the admittance pool. Am I wrong in this assumption?

2018-10-11 20:12:49 UTC  

Yes it is because if I was more qualified than someone and they got to go to that college over me because they were black, is racism.

2018-10-11 20:13:54 UTC  

But how could you measure qualification? SAT scores and GPAs are often linked to several factors including stability at home, income, and how many generations a family has sent kids to college. All of those factors are also correlated with race.

2018-10-11 20:14:02 UTC  

So is it moreso that if two people are relatively close in academic excellence, they're more likely to admit the minorities?

2018-10-11 20:14:06 UTC  

exactly

2018-10-11 20:14:12 UTC  

It does not matter about race. It just matters about academics

2018-10-11 20:14:13 UTC  

it would have to be close to be acceptable

2018-10-11 20:14:32 UTC  

but our measurements of academics are flawed

2018-10-11 20:14:37 UTC  

From what I've seen of most colleges, you don't have to be fantastic academically to be admitted.

2018-10-11 20:14:40 UTC  

and imperfect

2018-10-11 20:14:43 UTC  

depends on the college

2018-10-11 20:14:44 UTC  

An economy cannot work with unqualified people getting the most college admissions

2018-10-11 20:14:53 UTC  

I'm not advocating for that

2018-10-11 20:14:58 UTC  

The higher end colleges are fewer in number

2018-10-11 20:15:10 UTC  

I'm advocating for "qualification" to take into account a person's entire experience, in which race would have an effect

2018-10-11 20:15:40 UTC  

But why should I have to pay for other people centuries ago that happened to be racist?

2018-10-11 20:15:55 UTC  

because the effects linger

2018-10-11 20:16:07 UTC  

if we had reached equality then no one would expect that of you

2018-10-11 20:16:13 UTC  

So the real solution to win over the minorities you're worried about is put in a ton of extra effort to prove you deserve that spot,

2018-10-11 20:16:47 UTC  

for an individual, you should always put in effort to prove you deserve that spot

2018-10-11 20:17:03 UTC  

So I should have to put in more effort because my skin colour is white? Judge me not by the colour of my skin, but the content of my character. - mlk

2018-10-11 20:17:30 UTC  

But if you do have more choices, and more of a capability, and another person has a lot more to overcome to really fight for that spot, how hard they fight to get there could be a lot more meaningful than how hard the privileged ones could have had to fight. Which I could understand weighing it by that

2018-10-11 20:17:41 UTC  

exactly

2018-10-11 20:17:46 UTC  

it's about seeing the holistic experience

2018-10-11 20:17:47 UTC  

I'm just sorta playin in the middle and dissecting the issue

2018-10-11 20:18:01 UTC  

for some black people, it's possible their experience was not compelling and they had it easy

2018-10-11 20:18:10 UTC  

but that is *less likely*

2018-10-11 20:18:13 UTC  

and that's the point

2018-10-11 20:19:14 UTC  

But I don't think it should be weighed on race alone because it is sort of too simplistic. Because many minorities do have a lot of options and are on a level playing field with education and all. But if you come from areas of more poverty and all, and are in high minority schools and all, yeah, I could see it

2018-10-11 20:19:26 UTC  

no one said race alone