You said why be allies with a backward nation

Never should have become involved in the middle east.

Exactly

Let them govern themselves

You can be a sovereign nation without allies

Also Trapper said that

But why not have an ally?

Because they murdered a journalist

And I’m not saying to drop them entirely

And America has done bad things. I will not deny this

Just impose sanctions

No ones saying America hasn’t done shitty things

But that does not mean we deserve sanctions and stuff

Sanctions do not allow moving forward

Yes actually it kinda does

They are a punishment

It imposes penalties

For bad behavior

We should help to move forward and prevent this

Not punish our ally

Where is there any indication that they won’t do it again?

We don’t know they did it

15 people went to a consulate with a bone saw and murdered someone. We don’t know that 100% but we have brains and we can figure it out

It could have been Turkey

Maybe. Probably not

We need more evidence

You can’t make blind assumptions

Because 15 Turkish people didn’t go to a consulate with a bone saw

I’m not

This is not a court case

Far from blind

Right so the presumption of innocence is nonexistent

No it is because we need more investigation than a court case

I agree with that

But with the evidence we have

And if you truly believe in presumption of innocence, you will support it now

They did it

I just said I don’t for things that aren’t court cases

Do you believe in presumption of innocence?

For American courts yes

So presumption of guilt you believe in?