Message from @earlten1511
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Nope
You said why be allies with a backward nation
Never should have become involved in the middle east.
Exactly
Let them govern themselves
You can be a sovereign nation without allies
Also Trapper said that
But why not have an ally?
Because they murdered a journalist
And I’m not saying to drop them entirely
And America has done bad things. I will not deny this
Just impose sanctions
No ones saying America hasn’t done shitty things
But that does not mean we deserve sanctions and stuff
Sanctions do not allow moving forward
Yes actually it kinda does
They are a punishment
It imposes penalties
For bad behavior
We should help to move forward and prevent this
Where is there any indication that they won’t do it again?
We don’t know they did it
15 people went to a consulate with a bone saw and murdered someone. We don’t know that 100% but we have brains and we can figure it out
It could have been Turkey
Maybe. Probably not
We need more evidence
You can’t make blind assumptions
Because 15 Turkish people didn’t go to a consulate with a bone saw
I’m not
This is not a court case
Far from blind
Right so the presumption of innocence is nonexistent
No it is because we need more investigation than a court case
I agree with that
But with the evidence we have
And if you truly believe in presumption of innocence, you will support it now
They did it
I just said I don’t for things that aren’t court cases
Do you believe in presumption of innocence?
For American courts yes