Message from @bandit

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2018-10-26 19:29:28 UTC  

yeah in that case i would say that he is racist, but not a white supremacist

2018-10-26 19:29:28 UTC  

Would you say genetic differences are responsible for height differences between East Asians and whites? Even in Japan, Korea, or in East Asians in Western countries, a height difference remains. Even though they're generally wealthier than native whites. Most reasonable people would concede that racial gap in height is heritable

2018-10-26 19:29:43 UTC  

Just like height, IQ is a highly heritable trait

2018-10-26 19:29:53 UTC  

@bandit Do you deny racial differences?

2018-10-26 19:29:53 UTC  

Just like height, IQ is a highly polygenic trait

2018-10-26 19:30:04 UTC  

I mean, depends on how you mean deny.

2018-10-26 19:30:06 UTC  

I don't know why we would assume 0% heritability in racial gaps in intelligence when height is a highly heritable trait

2018-10-26 19:30:08 UTC  

Why do races being different mean they are inherently inferior or superior?

2018-10-26 19:30:17 UTC  

Let's slow down

2018-10-26 19:30:26 UTC  

And let me answer your first question

2018-10-26 19:30:32 UTC  

yes, like how chimps and humans have different iq's, but with humans i believe it is the quality of education, which tends to lack in black communities

2018-10-26 19:30:32 UTC  

alright

2018-10-26 19:30:38 UTC  

Rather than calling people who do these studies and find these differences racist, I'd be more inclined to have them press further to find out why those differences exist. o.o

2018-10-26 19:30:51 UTC  

^

2018-10-26 19:30:57 UTC  

I don't deny that there are average differences in certain qualities between races no

2018-10-26 19:31:23 UTC  

I mean it could be flaws in the studies. Flaws created by racial bias. Or it could be something else entirely.

2018-10-26 19:31:47 UTC  

i believe that there is a reason for this difference. Like how in most areas blacks have lower quality of education, where as most white communities have good schools

2018-10-26 19:32:26 UTC  

For your second claim

2018-10-26 19:32:29 UTC  

I would say yes

2018-10-26 19:32:35 UTC  

but yes i would say that jarod is slightly racist

2018-10-26 19:32:51 UTC  

I think that certain attributes are good, like most people would agree that a high IQ is good

2018-10-26 19:32:56 UTC  

Recently there have been larger studies which documented even further the degree to which racial groups differ in the frequency of SNPs (gene variants) associated with intelligence
Piffer 2015 didn't discover said SNPs associated with IQ but investigated their frequency by race and they were most common among East Asians and whites (when that SNP had a positive association with IQ as determined by GWAS), and least common among Africans
http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/PifferIntelligence2015.pdf

2018-10-26 19:33:07 UTC  

I was thinking the same about education. I would like to think the studies would take that into account but you never know.

2018-10-26 19:33:18 UTC  

Until you actually read the studies. Which I haven't.

2018-10-26 19:33:20 UTC  

now if you say that white people have higher IQs then other races, because they are white, then you are saying that white people are better in that deparment

2018-10-26 19:33:28 UTC  

High SES blacks do worse than poor whites on the SAT is .82 correlated with IQ test results

2018-10-26 19:33:35 UTC  

now if you do the same with other characteristics, then yes you are a white supremacist

2018-10-26 19:33:45 UTC  

East Asians don't have higher IQ than white people "because they're yellow" or "because they're East Asian"

2018-10-26 19:33:49 UTC  

it's because they spent

2018-10-26 19:33:50 UTC  

literally

2018-10-26 19:33:58 UTC  

over 180,000 years in a different environment

2018-10-26 19:34:02 UTC  

and natural selection is not egalitarian

2018-10-26 19:34:15 UTC  

Yeah

2018-10-26 19:34:18 UTC  

not 50,000 years ago

2018-10-26 19:34:23 UTC  

they pushed back the timeline a lot

2018-10-26 19:34:31 UTC  

I think the best way to look at these sort of this is from a completely objective scientific point of view, as to avoid the constant claims of "racism" watering them down.

2018-10-26 19:34:37 UTC  

"Scientists on Thursday announced the discovery of a fossilized human jawbone in a collapsed cave in Israel that they said is between 177,000 and 194,000 years old."

2018-10-26 19:34:51 UTC  

Sadly people tend to not even attempt to be objective to these topics

2018-10-26 19:34:52 UTC  

humans have been in separate environments for ~180,000 years with little to no gene flow between groups

2018-10-26 19:34:58 UTC  

Subspecies have evolved in far less time in other animals