Message from @Leo (BillNyeLand)

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2019-01-12 22:33:07 UTC  

See, I would prefer non-inflationary fiat to gold standard for reasons that I think you could agree with too

2019-01-12 22:33:26 UTC  

Well you can’t have that

2019-01-12 22:33:29 UTC  

It’s inherently inflationary

2019-01-12 22:33:45 UTC  

I mean, printing money only at rate of economic growth

2019-01-12 22:33:52 UTC  

Just the bare minimum to stop deflation

2019-01-12 22:34:00 UTC  

No fed, no central bank

2019-01-12 22:34:22 UTC  

Just a producer of currency to meet demand and no more

2019-01-12 22:34:34 UTC  

That would be be, in my opinion, superior to gold-backed

2019-01-12 22:34:48 UTC  

What’s wrong with deflation

2019-01-12 22:34:55 UTC  

there’s nothing wrong with deflation in any way

2019-01-12 22:35:05 UTC  

visitor here come the central planning talk again

2019-01-12 22:35:11 UTC  

Printing money will always cause inflation

2019-01-12 22:35:15 UTC  

And boom and bust cycles

2019-01-12 22:35:52 UTC  

Inflation can't really cause boom and bust if it's constant, for the same reason it can't stimulate the economy if it's constant (according to Hayek).

2019-01-12 22:36:08 UTC  

Inflation is taxation without legislation

2019-01-12 22:36:11 UTC  

It shouldn’t exist

2019-01-12 22:36:29 UTC  

Inflationary booms have been caused by this increase in money supply through the century

2019-01-12 22:36:45 UTC  

Yet there were tons more recessions before we left the gold standard

2019-01-12 22:36:51 UTC  

Which brings me to my next point

2019-01-12 22:37:01 UTC  

Because of this very cheap credit expansion

2019-01-12 22:37:08 UTC  

A gold-based currency depends a lot on the value of gold, which can fluctuate and cause problems. That's really the main thing.

2019-01-12 22:37:10 UTC  

Look at the individual policies enacted in those periods

2019-01-12 22:37:31 UTC  

they won’t cause problems

2019-01-12 22:37:43 UTC  

That’s a myth itself

2019-01-12 22:37:47 UTC  

Like I said, if we avoid discussion about central banking for a minute, I think gold-backed currency has problems that you could agree on.

2019-01-12 22:38:19 UTC  

As in, most of the later 1800s, there was a rising demand for currency coupled with a constant supply that squeezed creditors and restrained the economy.

2019-01-12 22:39:20 UTC  

Plus, new gold discoveries can cause inflation too.

2019-01-12 22:39:38 UTC  

And if someone tried to corner the market on gold, that could cause a huge problem for the money supply.

2019-01-12 22:39:52 UTC  

Not to mention that gold is just hard to use and move around.

2019-01-12 22:41:03 UTC  

A non-inflationary, central-bank-less fiat would be likely better.

2019-01-12 22:42:05 UTC  

See hays the problem , with FIAT currencies, it has no value. The only reason it’s used is because the state gives its value. Increases in money supply causes inflation for this. However for gold, a higher gold supply would increase the supply for money but would not cause inflation as it is is backed by some incentric value.

1800s did not have restrained growth? It was a rapid expansion.


We can’t have a central bank less, non inflationary FIAT . It is impossible

2019-01-12 22:42:12 UTC  

The problem about moving gold around is hardly a problem

2019-01-12 22:42:51 UTC  

How is it impossible?

2019-01-12 22:43:13 UTC  

If there's a private business contracted by the government to keep inflation at 0% by issuing currency strictly to meet demand

2019-01-12 22:43:47 UTC  

Which is impossible as central planning will fail

2019-01-12 22:43:50 UTC  

And 1800s were a time of expansion, which drove the money shortage and the rise in debt burden for much of the country.

2019-01-12 22:43:53 UTC  

As we’ve seen with the GED

2019-01-12 22:43:55 UTC  

How is that impossible?

2019-01-12 22:43:56 UTC  

FED

2019-01-12 22:44:02 UTC  

because central planning fails

2019-01-12 22:44:33 UTC  

But it's incredibly minimal central planning, if it can even be called that